I mean I get that. I get that MM Hunter or Frost Mage can kite more effectively than an Affliction lock. But a difference of damage intake when both classes have the same way to heal and the same health pool is not a question of kit in the case of DH vs Warrior ? It’s just Blizzard putting its finger on the scale.
Blizzard was pretty clear about the target audience. I think people who know they aren’t good enough don’t care, they don’t play the game for a challenge so adding challenging content isn’t about them, and they’ve always been fine with that.
Most of the outcry is people on the edge. People who read “master of their class” and “meaningful challenge”, and thought that THAT applied to them. It was a saying before memes were a thing in the public eye, but there’s an old adage “anyone worse than me is a scrub and anyone better than me has no life”. Many tend to see their level of expertise and commitment as normal, because it is to them.
So there’s a slice of the population who is having to come to terms with their own limitations and finding them lower than they thought, and ANY therapist can tell you that it’s a painful, stressful process. All WE can do, as players and colleagues, is try to be understanding and supportive - their feelings are valid and real.
Whenever the bar is set, this population will move with it, changing the difficulty does nothing. Telling them to “get gud” is borderline offensive. Just encourage them to keep trying and try to offer helpful tips and hints, if they ask for it. Let them feel their feelings. If they keep at it: awesome. If they don’t, there’s no shame in that, so don’t try to make them feel shame.
It’ll get worse before it gets better, because of the limited time nature of these challenges. I think, in the future, blizzard could do a few things to make future challenges better. Things like using stat templates or premade characters for a challenge, having multiple difficulties, publishing stats and leaderboards, etc. These aren’t things that really could be implanted for MT at this stage, but going forward with new solo challenge stuff, it might make save them a little of the criticism they’ve seen.
To close, the voices on the forum are a slanted microcosm of the payer base. I wouldn’t put too much stock into trying to do any analysis based on forum trends.
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there are less restrictions than LFR… what are you talking about.
no… they all aren’t. Time locked and optional content are both facts… and those aren’t they only ones.
Let me put it this way, the content is presented in a way that most “casual” players would not be able to complete it, and thus would not participate or enjoy it. It’s a rather simple concept.
The opinion if it were intended. The opinion on whether the “facts” are intended, or are effective in attaining their objectives.
Anyway, this is besides the point and you’re being pedantic over nothing in particular.
Unfortunately these are the kind of people we have bred these days. Where I live someone got sued because a child was unsupervised by their parent and wandered onto their property and got hurt. For some reason it’s the owner of the properties fault that the child’s parent is irresponsible so the parent was allowed to sue the owner of the property for their own negligence as a parent. People are taught they can be a Karen and get what they want regardless of how ludicrous it is. I am surprised someone didn’t say they were going to sue Blizzard over it sooner.
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Meh, you dont know what an opinion is.
ah yes, it was accidental for the mage tower to be planned to leave… and accidentally optional. ok then.
Knowing what a fact vs opinion is matters. I assume you dont think so, since you already demonstrated not knowing.
What’s even the point of touching on these topics you’ve brought up when you dont even know how to describe them?
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What are you considering subpar gear? I did it on prot warrior with SL PvP gear and consumables. I had 6 SL versatility gems.
I’m not too familiar with blood DK, but which mechanic is giving you issues?
As warrior I was having some dps issues in phase 1, but swapping to Ravager was like night and day for me.
Lol, you are incoherent while attempting to be a sophist. You couldn’t even respond adequately to the previous reply. Since this is rather useless and honestly unintelligible commentary, I’ll leave you to it.
Intelligent and eloquent.
I’m not victimizing anybody. While excellent players who regularly do the highest difficulty of group content may identify as casuals because “they could be more hardcore”, the majority of players are not highly skilled and well-geared. If the expectation is that “3%” of players (or attempters) will be able to complete it" (see thread with ‘3%’ in the title), then most casuals won’t be able to. If we want to leave behind the nebulous term ‘casuals’, then simply most average players won’t be able to do it.
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Probably the one Prot Warriors don’t have to deal with at all, the Horror AoE.
Gotta watch out for those death ears
How many “casual” even read the PTR? Are we going to pretend that the vast majority of them keep up to date on pre released content and were victim of a bait and switch?
You just save 2 blood boils and kill them before they get the cast off or if your damage is not good enough for whatever reason, you kill 1 wave with bonestorm and on the next one use an orb to interrupt their cast.
I’ve done Bear, I know how to handle them mostly.
The point was Prot Warriors don’t even get the mechanic, Blood DKs do. Prot Warriors actually have more tools to deal with it as they have AoE interrupts without having to blow orbs. Blood DKs don’t.
It’s those little things that make 0 sense and unbalance the difficulty between specs. The point I’ve been trying to get you to see this whole time.
Them casting would actually make it easier for warriors as you mention, they have more tools to deal with it. They are more threatening doing melee damage, instead of casting.
Perception is everything. Just because you think something obviously means one thing, doesn’t mean that everyone else does too. And it certainly doesn’t mean that people will continue to subscribe because some random forum troll says their perspective is invalid.
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This is what I’m talking about. Humanbeak makes a troll thread, tossing out incorrect numbers, and people jump in the bandwagon.
I was one of the few that said it should never return. Its impossible to have it be the same. To the complainers I say just wait for legion classic when the stats and gear are the same as when it was original. To the devs I say, work on current stuff not 2018 rehashes.
There are likely not many people enjoying this if the clear rate for just one fight alone is 3%. The big problem with the challenges are the following:
- Dishonest PTR-change which was not documented or being tested. They simply put a new version untested on the live serves which cements the developer team as the enemy of the community.
- Not available 24/7. People don’t want to pigeon-holed into doing content now or when Blizzard says so. The MT would have been received much better if it stays online permanently.
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Clear rate is 11% according to wowhead data.