Do you realize that there is stuff that DPS still has to do. Did Legion raiding not teach you that? Or did you not raid during that time period? Addons are a quality of life. Yes they make some things easier, but they actually help out people. Including myself. You can choose not to use them. But you don’t need to get upset with those who choose too.
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No, I do mechanics as per normal like everyone else. The only difference is I don’t have CD bars of boss mechanics on screen and they do. And I do react to call outs obviously because I’m used to it now.
Also I’d like to state, the above mentioned is not me being angry at you. I’m just trying to ask questions and offer something to the conversation. ^ I know it’s hard to read tones through writing.
Yes I agree, non-combat addons like bagnon and WIM are a quality of life that WoW needs to adapt. DBM however, doesn’t need to exist. And those mechanics aren’t hard, example…the giant worm in sepulchure. few ranged DPS stand in back, he does giant blue AOE, other set of ranged DPS move to back to take sand aoe thingy…can clearly be done without DBM telling you to. I’ve yet to see a mechanic that requires bigwigs or DBM to alert me to.
You don’t cause you just said you
Some bosses have very complex mechanics. Does your raid let you do those?
Because your rl is watching the timers… via an addon.
What im getting at is you’re indirectly using em. You think you aren’t, but your rl’s callouts that you rely on? He gets the info from an addon. They take it away and dont fix the animations and we dont have clear movement (like eso with dragons) then what?
I personally use DBM because I have a poor attention span, and I will miss things like callouts and die repeatedly if I don’t have something screaming at me. It’s why I also use GTFO. [Which screams at you to get out of things you are standing in if they’re bad.] I’ve used both of these addons probably since Cata and they’ve saved my life so much. At least personally.
Even then it’s just better if other people use them as well. They’re apart of the quality of life subset but for raiding.
IK you say “words spoken by a computer voice”, but what’s the difference between that and a human doing it? 'Cause I’ve lead some groups through content with just my voice. Is that “cheating”? My voice isn’t an addon.
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Or…just experience.
I was generalizing the role of the DPS if you didn’t notice. Notice earlier how I mentioned not needing DBM to tell me to move boss when a mechanic is coming up cause I’m not a tank…that’s that I was referring to.
The role of the DPS is simple:
Switch to adds
save CDs for burn phase
Hit something till its dead
Occasional CC
(insert basic mechanic thats well animated)
Move out of bad stuff
interrupt
etc
You get the point…it’s all easily understandable without DBM.
Right but my point was if his rl was reading timers and basing it off that but then he was relying off call outs from said raid leader that is using timers, addons are indirectly affecting his game play.
That’s what i meant. Yeah some RLs are good and just know stuff by heart.
IK what you meant and challenged that poster’s same not so sound argument. I want to know what the difference is between a computer voice call out and a human one.
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Generally with most fights yes but some fights, especially mythic fights, require a lot more than dps and cc.
Youre still relying on call outs in a raid setting, be it a human, something that beeps at you or both. Some fights arent “pew pew interupt”
Spine of deathwing on herioc for example (fight was a mess). Cant run around and pew pew you get people killed. Had to do very specific things. Did it on my dk back in the day and our RL was on point.
Oh got you i misread lol
How will Blizzard determine who is deaf enough to be permitted to use addons, and who is not deaf enough and must suffer with their disability?
“Present proof of disability”
That would be silly
Ehhhhh hard disagree. I think it’s fine to have DBM so that players who aren’t as fast to learn as others can have an easier time understanding mechanics. I think a much bigger problem is when Blizzard makes mechanics that if you didn’t have WeakAuras to tell you what the heffula is going on, you’re more than likely going to wipe. Best case example I have from experience is Mythic Aggramar.
A letter from an audiologist and a medical report from an ear, nose, and throat specialist.
yeah like the amongst us mechanic, the guild uses some addon that has you vote on the person and the one with most votes has demon on them. It’s stupid and trend-chasing…I hate it. I personally could never get that addon to work(I think weakaura?)because I couldn’t figure it out, too complicated, so I just say who I see with wings if any at all, otherwise no need…they always get the right people due to votes.
Funny how they’re not answering me.
I guess a human doing call outs is fine but not a computer one 
And actually, if you do Exile’s Reach, when you’re “parsing” with Captain Garrick (or the other Captain, from Horde), they tell you EXACTLY what moves you gotta do. No addon required. This is where you start, too (if you choose it or are a brand new account).
Yeah i know. .
Didnt know that about exiles reach that’s pretty cool.
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I think DBM should’ve been in the game, by now. It’s been around for a long time. They incorporated Questie but still no DBM.