Add "Trolling" to the chat report feature

[Johnnyderp-arthas (Johnnyderp)]

but how did you get that from what I said

Wasn’t intended to be a contradiction, or a clarification, but an extension.

We spend an awful lot of time calling people trolls and act as if they’re something to be avoided. I just had a passing thought.

[Twangslump-old-blanchy]

ok, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

[anon83669306]

I’ve learned to trust player reports

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There’s gotta be a sarcasm font in there, right?

:insert Bender LOLOLOLO You’re Serious? ROFLROFLROFL meme:

[Celebrimbor-earthfury]

Add “having a laugh or having fun” to the chat feature.

[Celebrimbor-earthfury]

I find trolling a useful and valid learning tool that reminds us not to take ourselves too seriously.

[Tayta-zuljin]

I find trolling a useful and valid learning tool that reminds us not to take ourselves too seriously.

In this case, I guess I am guilty

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

My examples, of the AV issue, still functions in Silencing people which is automated, BTW.

There are two systems at play.

1.) The automated squelch, which is a temporary chat mute resulting from meeting a time/report threshold. The squelch is removed after GM review and does not double in duration. The automated squelch was introduced in the Black Temple patch in May of 2007.

2.) The Silence penalty system, which replaced the bans GMs would issue for chat violations prior to its introduction in the Legion pre-patch in July of 2016. The Silence penalty is an ever doubling chat mute that is applied to an account after a GM reviews player reports.

There are no automated Silences.
There are automated squelches.

The nomenclature is important because there are two different systems at play. No good comes from people spreading misinformation, ever.

[Tayta-zuljin]

There are two systems at play.

1.) The automated squelch, which is a temporary chat mute resulting from meeting a time/report threshold. The squelch is removed after GM review and does not double in duration. The automated squelch was introduced in the Black Temple patch in May of 2007.

2.) The Silence penalty system, which replaced the bans GMs would issue for chat violations prior to its introduction in the Legion pre-patch in July of 2016. The Silence penalty is an ever doubling chat mute that is applied to an account after a GM reviews player reports.

There are no automated Silences.
There are automated squelches.

The nomenclature is important because there are two different systems at play. No good comes from people spreading misinformation, ever.

I wasn’t misinforming anybody. Forgive me for calling the “Squelch” a “Silence” (which is essentially what it is still doing). It doesn’t change the fact, that the “Squelch” is in fact still automatically performing a soft Silence via an inability to participate in Public Chat Channels.

EDIT: I’ve had this conversation, before. “Squelching” is still a form of “Silencing” which is automatically applied with enough Reports. Which is what I’ve been talking about this entire time. If enough people think you’re talking too much in a Public Chat Channel, they will “Squelch” you, to get you to stop doing it.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

I’m fairly certain I already had this argument with you over a year ago. It’s very obvious from reading the replies in this thread that you’re still not differentiating between the two systems.

[Tayta-zuljin]

I’m fairly certain I already had this argument with you over a year ago. It’s very obvious from reading the replies in this thread that you’re still not differentiating between the two systems.

'Cause they’re really not all that different.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

One doubles for all eternity, the other doesn’t. I’d say that qualifies as very different.

[Tayta-zuljin]

One doubles for all eternity, the other doesn’t. I’d say that qualifies as very different.

Not really. Both of them still causes you to no longer speak, in Public Chat Channels. I really don’t care how long the duration it is.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

That’s fine, you can think whatever you want. I’ll just correct you whenever I happen to notice these types of threads/posts. It’s not a big deal, really.

Here you can see that Blizzard still differentiates between the two systems as well:

Mass report abuse and lack of customer support

Understand, the squelch system is intended to help deal with possible advertisement, spam and other nuisances. It is temporary, and is lifted upon review, but it does not otherwise prevent you from playing the game. It is one of the reasons we went with silences for these social issues and not suspensions. I am sorry that you were negatively impacted, but your fellow players wanting to limit toxic behavior really isn’t a false report. Just a report that was categorized incorrectly. Live chat…

Groups of players can mute another player temporarily, this is colloquially known as a squelch. Only Blizzard can silence players.

[Tayta-zuljin]

That’s fine, you can think whatever you want. I’ll just correct you whenever I happen to notice these types of threads/posts. It’s not a big deal, really.

Here you can see that Blizzard still differentiates between the two systems as well:

Groups of players can mute another player temporarily, this is colloquially known as a squelch. Only Blizzard can silence players.

Listen, I get what you’re saying but understand that I am not “wrong” for not really seeing the big difference between a “Squelch” and a “Silence” other than them being named a particular way, and how long the duration will last.

Both scenarios still silences (as in muting the individual) from engaging in further Public Chat discourse. Of course, the “Squelch” is automated by enough Player Reports. Thus, if enough people think you’re spamming LFG, you will be silenced (via muted). I was never wrong, in this regard which initiated this entire discussion.

The only difference here, though is how long the individual will remain silenced (via muted). You see what I’m saying?

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

but understand that I am not “wrong”

Yes, yes you are.

Unfortunately, it is. Blizzard instituted a social justice program where some number of people reporting another is all that is required to get someone muted for an increasing period of time.

Here’s an official Blizz Statement updated 7 months ago, showing being reported enough times, still factors in:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/72214

It doesn’t say anything about an investigation.

Both Johnny and I proved you wrong

And I posted the 7 month ago update, from Blizz (saying nothing about an investigation) that enough Reports = a Silence.

These are all posts that are misinformation.

Silences are imposed by GMs, they aren’t automatic.
Squelches are temporary, do not double in duration, and are removed after GM review.

There’s a ton of you being wrong in your posts, that’s just a fact.

[Twangslump-old-blanchy]

Question:
Does a squelch disable speech for a player?
Answer: Yes
Does a silence disable speech for a user?
Answer: Yes.
Not talking bout time duration. Not talking about automation. Not talking about gm review. Just if they effectively remove the ability to speak in chat.

[Tayta-zuljin]

Yes, yes you are.

No, I’m not. You’re deflecting the main point of what “Squelching” is actually doing, and I am, in fact, still correct on what the action is actually doing.

These are all posts that are misinformation.

Like I said earlier:

Forgive me for calling the “Squelch” a “Silence” (which is essentially what it is still doing). It doesn’t change the fact, that the “Squelch” is in fact still automatically performing a soft Silence via an inability to participate in Public Chat Channels.

Silences are imposed by GMs, they aren’t automatic.

You mean “Silence” is what they call prolonging your inability to participate in Public Chat Channels.

Squelches are temporary, do not double in duration, and are removed after GM review.

But still are automatic, by enough Player Reports that does what? Prevents you from participating in Public Chat Channels. That’s still a “silence”, in my book. It’s silencing (muting, as you put it) an individual from participating in Public Chat Channels. A GM reviews it to see if further muting (or silencing) is warranted.

There’s a ton of you being wrong in your posts, that’s just a fact.

I’m not wrong. We’re talking about preventing players from engaging in Public Chat Channels. Muting/Silencing same thing really.

I understand from Blizzard’s perspective, the role of extending the punishment, they call it a “Silence”. But when I use it, I’m not talking about the actual punishment. I’m talking about the reality of what’s going on.

EDIT: When a Player cannot engage in Public Chat Channels, they have been silenced. Not to be confused with Blizzard’s terminology of prolonging the penalty.

Question:
Does a squelch disable speech for a player?
Answer: Yes
Does a silence disable speech for a user?
Answer: Yes.
Not talking bout time duration. Not talking about automation. Not talking about gm review. Just if they effectively remove the ability to speak in chat.

That’s exactly what I’m saying but no, I have to use Blizzard’s wording not the reality of the situation

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

I’m not wrong.

Yes you were, lol.

You weren’t differentiating between two systems and you were linking articles and posts talking about the Silence system. You were telling someone that “Johnny and I proved you wrong” while Johnny was saying:

some number of people reporting another is all that is required to get someone muted for an increasing period of time.

/\ Misinformation. Squelches are not an ever increasing punishment. The duration does not increase with subsequent squelches.

It doesn’t say anything about an investigation.

(saying nothing about an investigation)

Implying Blizzard doesn’t investigate the player reports. All anyone has to do is read your posts in this thread.

You were wrong, multiple times.

[Tayta-zuljin]

Yes you were, lol.

No, I am not. You just want to be mentally stuck on Blizzard’s terminology in what a “Silence” is, meanwhile, I’m talking about the actual act of what both “Squelching” and “Silencing” are doing.

You weren’t differentiating between two systems and you were linking articles and posts talking about the Silence system. You were telling someone that “Johnny and I proved you wrong” while Johnny was saying:

It really doesn’t matter because both of them still prevent you from engaging in Public Chat Channels, do they not?

/\ Misinformation. Squelches are not an ever increasing punishment. The duration does not increase with subsequent squelches.

Sure, Squelches do not increase but Silences do. I never mentioned anything about it increasing, only the automated part which I am still correct on (when it comes to Squelching which is generated by Player Reports).

Implying Blizzard doesn’t investigate the player reports. All anyone has to do is read your posts in this thread.

What I said was still true, in the link that I provided, it doesn’t say anything about investigations being required in order to Silence a player. In which case, no investigations are required to Squelch which still silences a Player. Which is still correct.

You were wrong, multiple times.

I’m still correct. You just want to nitpick my use of the words “Squelch” and “Silence” which both systems prevents a Player from engaging in Public Chat Channels, do they not?

That’s pretty much what initiated this entire conversation to begin with. So, stop being nitpicky over the use of the word “Squelch” in order to paint me as “wrong” because it doesn’t take away from the bigger picture here.

EDIT: Enough Player Reports silences (via Squelches) a Player from engaging in further Public Chat Channels. Blizzard investigates said Reports and determines whether or not this feature will remain. If they decide to prolong the penalty, that’s when they activate their “Silence”.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

Wow, that’s some really crazy rationalisation. I’m not going to waste my time having a pointless argument with someone who doesn’t care about the facts. I’ll just simply come in and spend a few seconds correcting you when you choose to try to confuse people about these systems.