If they wish. And if they continue to do such things, they will have a much longer cooldown on their Vote to Kick, and ultimately will not be able to kick anyone.
Precisely. Glad you’re on the same page now.
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Most players are mature enough to put a reasonable reason to kick afk cant heal etc.
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These are particularly useful for getting ‘the lay of the land’ and seeing just what fight effects occur and where and when. You can do it at your ease without any party stress. I just wish they were available for lower level instances.
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This feature should not penalize kicked players, only those that leave by choice… A kick getting a debuff is hindering the indeviduals objective of the time they pay for…
the issue is that people kick without any communication as to why someone would be stationary for a sec, people have lives and interuptions… and even if someone disconnects and gets kicked before joining back in they get the debuff… its a faulty mechanic for a system that is meant to create connection between the playerbase… yall wonder why solo is being promoted… this exact reason is why no one wants to play with asshats that assume… ask questions to get clarity rather than projecting ignorance and poo behaivor…
This was the original intention, but there was those who actually abused it to get around the penalty. This is why Blizzard added in the deserter buff to being vote-kicked.
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You are contradicting yourself… Vote kick once should not penalize, within repetition of it should penalize… randoms should not be penalized as reque is easy, it’s premades that need to penalize the vote kick… aka mythic+s.
M+ has a group leader, it has no use for the feature.
Kicking would also brick the key just as someone leaving or being removed does.
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Tanks and healers were holding groups hostage to get around the 30 minute debuff which is why we ended up with the system we have now. Not everyone is happy with the system but it does the job it is intended to do.
Again, this has been stated already but if you have a suggestion to change a feature of the game make use of the in game tool or find the appropriate forum and add it there.
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It’s nobody’s job to teach you how to play the game and most people have no interest in investing time into a stranger that they will never see again.
Try looking at it from the other side of the aisle: if you didn’t know how to do the raid, why didn’t you look up guides for it before you queued?
Take some personal responsibility.
Yeah it should because when it didn’t penalize you, those of us that were around at that time seen what people did to game the system. Get into a dungeon you didn’t like (Oculus?) Sit at the zone in and demand the group to kick you. When a tank or healer did it, they got to instantly queue for another dungeon. How fair is that for the people that waited 20 to 30 minutes for a tank or healer?
What people don’t seem to understand is if you rely on AI to form a group for you then you have to also rely on AI to deal out punishments. There’s no way to tell if someone is getting kicked for legitimately doing something bad to the group or some bored ten-year old puts “trololol” into the reason why box. This is the chance you take when you sign up for automated group assignment.
And if you want to have complete agency over who gets kicks and why they were kicked then Blizzard created a system for you: mythic +. They even give you much better rewards for using this system.
If we’re being honest with ourselves, which I noticed a lot of people coming to the forum to complain about this sort of thing are not, we know that we can do a hundred or more dungeons where nothing happens and never get kicked. Getting kicked by a troll is an extremely rare thing. If we’re being honest with ourselves even further, we also know that random strangers from different countries are not banning together and rubbing their hands like cartoon villains to kick people out of the group for fun. If one is getting kicked “often” then maybe we should look at the common denominator: the kicked. Perhaps they’re getting just what they deserved.
Plus, kicking someone from LFR isn’t easy and not like kicking someone from LFD. In LFD you just need 3 or 4 people to hit “yes”, in LFR you need a certain amount of people to initiate vote to kick and once enough people do then there has to be a second round of votes to kick the person out. If you made it through those two stages, I’m going to guess the OP did more than just be a “new or returning player.”
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No, you’re just showing you don’t understand why the deserter debuff was put in place. Tanks and healers were abusing the kick feature. They would hold dungeon groups hostage if they got a dungeon they didn’t want, and /sit at the entrance and refuse to move until they were kicked. This increased people’s kick cooldown for no reason, and it was determined the only way to deter this behavior was to also get the debuff if you are kicked.
In the 14 years since it was implemented, it’s the only fair system anyone has come up with. NOONE has been able to come up with anything better in that time. You haven’t “solved” anything, your “solution” would just cause dungeon groups to be held hostage again.
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You dont need to have people explain them as everything you need is already in game via the dungeon journal. All you have to do is read it
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I don’t think you fully understand the entire purpose to the reason why being vote-kicked out of a random dungeon has a deserter:
Mythic+ Dungeons are on a different system than the random dungeon finder. Because you’re not randomly queuing up, and the group leader has more agency over control towards the group compared to random dungeon finder. Which yes, you can be removed from a group in a Mythic+ dungeon without there ever being a Vote-Kick.
And Blizzard is not going to punish people who initiate a vote-kick towards others in the dungeon.
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You have the option of creating a group and doing random dungeons. If you start the group you have control over who is in the group and who you remove. It removes the vote from the equation.
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Yeah that’s pretty typical advice.
I didn’t; I did precisely the opposite. But I edited it so you could better understand what I was trying to convey.
#dfmb
Drop the condescension. It wasn’t a matter of me not understanding.
I’m not going to go in circles with you. Pre edit, you did state they could try as a response to how they could report a perceived problem.
It doesn’t matter that you followed it with contradicting information. People will take anything they read that they think could possibly help and run with it.
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Buddy no one is forced to play with you. They put follower dungeons in if you need to learn that badly.
Join a guild. Your not entitled to be taught by randoms mate