If this were the real world you would be committing libel from your false accusations against me. I had thought you were reasonable before but now I see you’re just here to stir trouble so you will not be getting replies from me.
A minor inconvenience. Blizzard has used the person’s transmog as an example in the past. They said it was OK to use the vote kick system to remove someone because of their transmog.
Ok sure, if someone wants to remove someone else because of their transmog I agree they should be able to do that but the person removed should not get a debuff, and the group should not cut to the front of the line.
A more real-world example is a tank carefully pulling instead of doing big pulls and speedrunning the dungeon.
This may not be enjoyable for some people in the group, they may find it boring, but the way they have it now they can time out the tank for 30 minutes and cause the people behind them to wait longer for the queue. This slows everyone down, other than the people who wanted to finish the dungeon 5 minutes faster.
no not all of it, it’s 800 posts long and most of them are entirely unproductive.
But there is no reason to do this. The system is working as intended, and it’s working well. If everyone agrees on the removal of a player, it’s justified, and the penalty is to mitigate potential abuse.
I mean, if the majority of the group wants this person removed, they should be removed. No single player is entitled to dominate the time of 4 other players. Assimilate to social standards or be outcast.
There are better solutions that have been given over the years, but MicroActaBlizz has thus far refused to develop them…
I am sure there are cases where the vote kick has been abused and cases where it was warranted but honestly I just don’t get why they continue to stick their heads in the sand and state the vote kick can’t be abused (when any reasonable, sane and intelligent person can see it can be) or people can be removed for any reason and that is ok (when again, any reasonable, sane or intelligent person would disagree).
It really comes down to financials, I guess. If you pretend there is not a problem and you spread the lie enough in hopes that people will buy it, then you don’t have to pay developers to create a better system.
It sure feels like that and I am actually starting to take offense. I DID NOT post a thread seeing one had been removed.
Over the last year or so I have seen a lot of threads complaining about the vote kick system. I thought I could suggest an idea on how it could be improved on.
Yet typical to this community, people can’t be civil and talk about ideas and instead resort to attacking one another.
They actually can tell in some ways but not others. I have used the example of a quick checklist. No deaths, player is pressing damage/healing/defensives, player hasn’t said anything in chat is a pretty good giveaway that they were kicked unjustly
Tank not pulling fast enough and kicked because they’re new and not fast enough? I don’t think that deserves a debuff but I’ve Experienced it first hand (Tanking on my blood DK in deadmines, priest took a shortcut I wasn’t comfortable with, died, and immediately kicked me. Cool, killed any drive I have to bother learning to tank.)
Tank and rest of group doing dungeon quests, one player gets impatient, kicks tank, I don’t think that tank deserves a debuff (Saw it happen to a guildy first hand, me, shaman, druid, and tank are doing the dungeon quests, DK tries to force us to continue what they want to do, dies, kicks the tank resulting in the death of the shaman/druid since the kick was mid boss fight, i survive via vanish)
like, i get that the problem was to fix a minor problem of people trying to get kicked because they didn’t want to do a specific dungeon, but surely blizzard could just track how often people get kicked and start issuing bans instead?
personally, this is where i disagree with blizzards hands off stance.
We can be actioned for disrupting someones game play if we’re killing NPCs and simply causing lost game time…but then we’re given blanket permission to disrupt someones game time by kicking players that are SUPPOSEDLY our team mates on our side who shouldnt have to wonder if theyre going to be targeted for a kick for no fault of their own.
its quite an odd issue to even be defending at all, if you ask me
I promise you, you do not want to use metrics like this as justifications for removals. The vast majority of people who play this game are going to fail BOTH of those criteria really quickly.
You’re right, It says I will be silenced for this post and that’s just so weird. For posting an idea intending to be helpful
You missed the entire point of the paragraph you quoted. The point is that I AGREE they should be removed, but they should not get a deserter debuff. And if you remove someone because of a transmog, you don’t deserve to make everyone in the line’s experience worse by cutting to the front of the line
If they are standing there not doing anything or talking more than they are typing then it sounds like the deserter buff is justified, and I’m all for it.
However booting a healer from a leveling dungeon because they’re trying but perhaps pressing the wrong buttons seems to be against the spirit of the law, even though it is legal
long lists of them, actually. They should just to a megathread and direct all discussion to that like we have done with other repetitive topics.
and youre very much appreciated by those of us who DO care about this topic.
I myself havent been kicked since…Legion, Id guess. and I was new to the game then and even then it was over stupid stuff like mogs and playing panda…laughed at and kicked lol
MY issue is in seeing so many runs hosed because someone kicks the tank who made a wrong turn, checked his map…or some other petty nothing like that.
it wastes my time. it wastes that tanks time
And I disagree. This person SHOULD have a debuff. Because the intended effect of this debuff is for players to consider what got them removed in the first place. Otherwise, this tank is just going to requeue and hold another 4 players hostage.
and we disagree. The kick serves no real purpose. The trolll will alt hop and do it again…the innocent player who did no wrong now has a nasty taste in his mouth for the game and his time wasted over some petulance that shouldnt exist here in the first place
It isn’t. Literally nowhere did anyone blame you, personally. It’s just thread number four in one day that looks like the panda crew took obsessive hold of.
No one cares who posted the thread. This horse was beaten to death for an uncommon issue in three other threads that also weren’t productive. This is just number four and it wouldn’t matter who posted it.
The problem is none of these are ever productive and this forum was much nicer prior to this crap starting all over again once panda crew came back from vacation.
That’s not on you. It’s just another dumpster fire of nothing productive for a problem that isn’t systemic that riles up the bullies.
In matchmade content you have no control over the type of people that get into your group, so goals will sometimes not align.
Someone is going too fast, stopping you from comfortably completing a quest? Vote to kick them, maybe the majority agrees - in which case the group has the agency to try and fix it.
Someone is going too slow, wasting your time? Same deal.
lolol…in YOUR opinion.
you get that your opinion is just that, correct?
clearly its not working ‘well’ when we just had TWO running threads on this topic yesterday…and we know this forum is less than 1% of 1% of the base who never comes in here to complain about stuff like this.
It’s funny we have many people in this thread saying this kind of behavior happens, but here you are saying that the next 4 people will be felt “held hostage” by the slow tank.
In a majority of cases, people are fine with the slow tank. You are in the minority that it bothers you so much.
The majority of people would rather that tank plop right back into the queue so that they can get on with their dungeon faster.
The MVP and Ayukama specifically are pointing fingers at me.
I wasn’t there for that. So my opinion isn’t valid because someone else has had a conversation that I wasn’t a part of?
