A really really long awkward drawn out sad goodbye to the twink community

[Sockfullafel-illidan]

And trust me when I say there isn’t many new players to this game. It’s majority veteran players with some returning players here and there that don’t tend to stick around long.

If you look at honor levels, I have to agree with you. There are very rarely people below honor level 30 in any low level BGs that I’ve played, so saying that twinks prey on new players is kind of a bad argument.

I screenshot most of my BG endscreens, and very rarely do I see more than 4 new players.

https://imgur.com/xvnt1b4
https://imgur.com/ZJbypjf
https://imgur.com/R9JheWX
https://imgur.com/EJHXFOD
https://imgur.com/xJeRwXK

Very few new players.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

Oh , don’t even Greyhide. “You are correct that Elitist attitudes spoil games, but so do generalizations. We have enough of those around here.” Very Rich coming from you. Should I dig up that nonsense you were spouting that got you ridiculed on these forums? Trying to use different tactics now after that backfired so spectacularly? Well too late for that.

Are you referring to when those negative people who engage in the playstyle got upset when people on here were debunking them? A comment isn’t nonsense just because you disagree. Besides, why would anybody care about old troll comments of those negative people? Maybe 2 people and their alts did then, nobody would now.

He doesn’t deserve it. Coming here to villainize and ridicule veteran players and twinks cause they don’t appreciate the new player experience enough. Acting all righteous cause he on the side of players that love WOW.

Who decides what someone deserves? He might just be misinformed. Taking the aggressive stance really accomplishes nothing.

What about the veteran player experience? What about the people that have played since 2005 and have been participating in twinking since Vanilla? Not everything is about catering to the perceived ‘fragile’ new player experience. And trust me when I say there isn’t many new players to this game. It’s majority veteran players with some returning players here and there that don’t tend to stick around long. Trying to handhold the pvp leveling experience and stop anyone from having advantages is not helping there and imo deprives WoW of vital RPG elements.

What about the people who’ve played since 2005? That’s not the best time frame to reference.

As far as how many “new players” there are, any comments such as “there are not very many” or “there are a lot” are 100% pure speculation. The most common reason people give for “there are not very many” is that this is a 17 year old game, which doesn’t really mean much considering I play a game that’s been around for 26 years and we get new players all the time.

I understand your feelings about what gives the game the “RPG” feeling but that will vary from person to person. There are places for everything. All kinds of people should be able to enjoy a game the way they want.

Sure hope this wasn’t the primary focus of those veteran players cause they now have character that serve no purpose. Invested years of gameplay into characters that you cherish? Have fun doing nothing with them. Can’t group with levelers for pve or pvp. Lol 95% reduced group experience. You can duel eachother though (until they add dueling experience. Cause that wouldn’t be fair!) or delete your character and move to one of the 2 brackets that can make wargames. Oh but you can only play at very specific scheduled times. You can’t make that time? Well too bad so sad. The vast majority of twink players are too fed up with the prejudice and foul treatment from blizzard in general and have already started to abandon the game. Real classy how they sprung that 8.1.5 segregation change on us with absolutely no warning whatsoever when they had months to inform us. Nice patch notes Blizzard. Guess they just didn’t LOVE wow enough Twinks have a right to be upset.

While I can sympathize for those who invested a lot of time in a character but that’s one of the “RPG elements.” World of Warcraft expands. Expansions mean all that gear you worked hard to get becomes obsolete. You can try to preserve them through the twinking method and you have every right. And I do hope that some method is introduced to allow that to happen but some others adapt to changes.

I do agree that Blizzard should have gave warning for the separation like they did before. They explained in more detail the first time, talking about how they wanted things to be fair and that was the way to go.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Frokkinfunk-malfurion

if you are wondering who “we” are it’s a group of players that love WOW, that put in a load of work reporting the exploiters.

A lot of forum posters speak out against cheating and exploiting, but they don’t go the extra mile and actually do something to help solve the problem.

Strong work.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

Well said.

[Auddoras-nathrezim]

I read the forums for the QQ.

[Desodeleter-medivh (Desodeleter)]

@Greyhide-khadgar

Are you referring to when those negative people who engage in the playstyle got upset when people on here were debunking them? A comment isn’t nonsense just because you disagree. Besides, why would anybody care about old troll comments of those negative people? Maybe 2 people and their alts did then, nobody would now.

Is that what you’d like to call it now? I really didn’t want to have to dig it all out but since you have to be this way I’ll put in the effort.

@Greyhide-khadgar

I mentioned this story once before but I actually met someone in real life who was a huge advocate of twinking and used to say the exact same thing. He used to hang out at a local gaming shop that unfortunately isn’t around anymore in our city. At the time, he had to be in his late 20s or early 30s. He only ever seemed to play games against kids.

I remember vividly one day, he was at a table playing some miniatures game with 4 other kids who were 12-13 years old. I saw one of them motion as if he were going to, I guess, attack him or something and the guy stood up halfway, cocked his fist by his belt and said “do it and see what happens.” The kid had a sad look on his face and sat down. The kids (afraid to do anything) beat each other’s armies to almost nothing. He then picked each kid off one by one. After he won, he stood up, threw his hands way up in the air and said “lol I am the friggin MASTER at this game!” Another time, I saw him in the back where they had a Wii. He played Guitar Hero on easy mode. I heard a little kid say “wow dude, you rock” and he said “lol I know, I’m pretty good at this.”

I found out he twinked when some of the guys were talking about wow PVP and he chimed in with something like “I do a lot of pvp on my twink”. They turned, looked at him and stared at him silently for like 5 seconds then turned away and resumed their conversation.

This was one of the extremely ridiculous stories you gave us to attempt to correlate it with people that play twinks. To give them a generalization and real life example.

@Greyhide-khadgar

100% true! All those 3rd graders had no business being so salty at Jeff just because he was 30 years old and in the same grade, beating them all up at recess. They all have access to the same gyms, steroids and sparring equipment that he does. They need to stop complaining and git gud.

This one was cute as well. Linking twinking with a 30 year old man being physically violent with 3rd graders.

You blatantly made the sweeping generalization that everyone wanted the separation before it happened and when told that you can’t prove that and that it was false you just obstinately repeated that it was and that proving it “had already been done by several others” and you didn’t have to. Which is untrue. You just didn’t have anything to back your claim. Your proclaimed masterful debunking is primarily you thinking you can speak on the behalf of everyone else and being full of yourself. To be clear just because it did happen doesn’t mean you were in the right.

Also you kept trying to push the term NEET onto twinks. I had to finally look it up and the only thing I could find was. “A NEET or neet is a person who is “Not in Education, Employment, or Training”. The acronym NEET was first used in the United Kingdom, but its use has spread to other countries and regions, including Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the United States.” What an insinuation… -_-

I’m not going to get into people catching that you liked your own posts with your alts in an attempt to reinforce your claim. It’s deceitful but it’s not a huge crime on these forums.

Overall, you’ve made a poor impression of yourself and IMO many people don’t take you seriously if they know anything about you as a poster.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

Is that what you’d like to call it now? I really didn’t want to have to dig it all out but since you have to be this way I’ll put in the effort.

Pretty much.

This was one of the extremely ridiculous stories you gave us to attempt to correlate it with people that play twinks. To give them a generalization and real life example.

No, that was one of the stories from one of the 2 people I’ve met in real life who engage in the playstyle for the negative aspects of it.

This one was cute as well. Linking twinking with a 30 year old man being physically violent with 3rd graders.

When the negative crowd want to brag about their accomplishments, they were debunked.

You blatantly made the sweeping generalization that everyone wanted the separation before it happened and when told that you can’t prove that and that it was false you just obstinately repeated that it was and that proving it “had already been done by several others” and you didn’t have to. Which is untrue. You just didn’t have anything to back your claim. Your proclaimed masterful debunking is primarily you thinking you can speak on the behalf of everyone else and being full of yourself. To be clear just because it did happen doesn’t mean you were in the right.

Yep, I did. And I was referring to those negative people and even referenced it. You’ll find that too in your research.

Also you kept trying to push the term NEET onto twinks. I had to finally look it up and the only thing I could find was. “A NEET or neet is a person who is “Not in Education, Employment, or Training”. The acronym NEET was first used in the United Kingdom, but its use has spread to other countries and regions, including Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the United States.” What an insinuation… -_-

I wasn’t the one who started that but it was a funny joke. Did you get triggered by it? No hard feelings, eh?

I’m not going to get into people catching that you liked your own posts with your alts in an attempt to reinforce your claim. It’s deceitful but it’s not a huge crime on these forums.

As I mentioned the other day, someone in the GD mentioned you could do this, so I did it once and then someone tried claiming they were all my alts. But thank you for bringing that up, it’s flattering.

Overall, you’ve made a poor impression of yourself and IMO many people don’t take you seriously if they know anything about you as a poster.

I’m sorry your obsession makes you feel that way.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

Yea Grey has thankfully eased up lately. His ridiculous posts and comparisons are what brought me to this topic and got me to try out these Bgs as a leveler.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

I think several of us have eased up. I’m sorry you didn’t agree with me but I’m glad I was able to inspire you.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

Ofc I didn’t agree with any of your comparisons. “Twinks are like potholes” that was actually my favorite

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

I understand that some people do not even know what a comparison is nor understand their purpose, I never blamed you, to be honest.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

I know what a comparison is. You just didn’t use good ones.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

lol

Jokes aside, this was fun.

[Desodeleter-medivh (Desodeleter)]

Things happened but bringing them up months later, passing off as current and relevant content is a strange approach.

I’m not obsessed with you but I don’t like you as a poster. You can’t ignore passed incidents and sweep them under the rug. If you need a positive spin on it you could say you left an impression.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

I don’t think he should be let off so easily. The way he acted and responded to people then was deplorable.

This is true.

Like this. Deflect while being rude. Sorry you are too incompetent to understand a comparison Jugaa

Well, I know that’s just a bunch of horse If anything, I feel bad by how much twinks hurt him. Like it seemed like they all gave him nightmares. Anyone would act this way on no sleep for MONTHS

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

Sure, if misguidedly thinking you are always right means being debunked. You’ve probably convinced yourself of lots of blatant falsehoods.

Never claimed I was always right. I’ve admitted I was wrong more than once in recent time.

No one will believes this no matter how you try to justify it.

I’m glad you speak for everybody, we need more people like you. It may consolidate these 2000+ threads.

Deflect. You were persistent in trying to push it and it didn’t work. And it is NOT funny.

How is that a deflection? I never denied saying it. I was just stating that I was not the source. And I’m sorry you didn’t think it was funny. Some people think “how did the chicken…” is still funny. Different strokes.

I believe the way you got caught is when the new forums were established it allowed people to identify it. How much you would have carried on with it if people didn’t catch you, who knows.

Who knows? Doesn’t really matter either. You have people here who have conversations with their alts and you pick that to obsess about. I admitted that I did it. Let it go.

I don’t think he should be let off so easily. The way he acted and responded to people then was deplorable.

By all means, don’t “let me off.” If you’re that obsessed with me, it’s very flattering.

Like this. Deflect while being rude. Sorry you are too incompetent to understand a comparison Jugaa

That wasn’t a deflection. Comparisons, analogies and other useful conversation terms are not understood by several people. It wasn’t an insult. I never blame people for not understanding something. That’s wrong.

Anyway, thank you for the value-added conversation. Your contribution to the topic is appreciated.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

I’m sorry if you think I was upset by anything. I can agree that some individuals take things that random people on the internet say too personally. I can’t imagine what that’s like myself.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

I’m sorry if you think I was upset by anything.

That’s true, you’re honor level 1. Did you increase that at all?

[Pentanse-stormrage]

Well, I know that’s just a bunch of horse If anything, I feel bad by how much twinks hurt him. Like it seemed like they all gave him nightmares. Anyone would act this way on no sleep for MONTHS

If it makes you feel better Jugaa, you might not understand comparisons but Greyhide doesn’t understand deflection.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

Now now, Jugaa, didn’t you and I discuss ad hominem the other day? I even defended you against someone trying to toss that your way.