People used to unironically argue this all the time in Legion. “Lost to neutrality” was the term most often used, if I remember right. It never made sense to me.
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I like how you’ve just decided sight unseen that SL is basically going to be a single player game about Slyvanas we happen to witness, where all her wrongdoing is completely justified and then I guess she slaps Tyrande, calls her a nerd, dabs and then flies off to be crowned Cosmic Queen of Good Decision Making.
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You act as if this is not exactly what the story has been in BfA, and will be in Shadowlands given that we already know that she’s getting redeemed and not going to die.
It makes Anduin look even worse. He tells Tyrande he “can’t spare troops” to help her, but she still sends Night Elves to help in his dumbass plan to assault Dazar’alor and he gets her people killed more. AND then Anduin helps Saurfang when he asks… like okay.
I really hate Anduin, as a character he is just trash. I really hope we don’t have to deal with him after Shadowlands.
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That’s a good point; I hadn’t even thought of that if the troops really did come from Tyrande, even after she walks out on him.
The Saurfang thing would actually be a good idea as a form of horde sabotage, if it actually played out that way. But it turned what could have been a greyish moment into snowy white because Anduin’s such a good guy that he inspired an enemy general when the dude’s own faction couldn’t.
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I did. You’re still exaggerating.
Again, this is only in your head.
Who?
You said the Horde, not just Sylvanas. Stay inconsistent.
Not anymore she isn’t.
Malf is currently an Alliance character and never did anything to harm The Alliance. Sylvanas is and was actively trying to harm both factions. There is a difference that your head canon cannot grasp apparently.
LOL. No one had to prove anything to the most extreme fringes of the fanbase, NEFPA or otherwise. The Horde is not beholden to the Alliance.
The story is going forward. Garrosh wasn’t killed the same expansion he nuked Theramore. Again, you are not special.
The story is going forward and nothing guarantees her death. That’s your assumption again.
He’s been in the story since Vanilla. His model showed up in BfA.
Again, you are wrong.
Keep seething.
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I really found it odd I was killing worgen, nelves and otherwise all the new allied races. Cold blooded to put the new and most damaged factions out as a sacrificial lamb.
But frankly I thought Battle of Dazar’Alor was a ruthless move by the Alliance. The Zandalari weren’t officially part of the Horde yet, but it seemed all but certain they would be sooner or later, so why not launch a huge attack when you’ve the element of surprise to cripple the Zandalari war machine before it’s full power can be turned against you?
An unscrupulous but sound strategy. Which is why it was hilarious when the motivation behind this preemptive assault was uh, to encourage peace with them.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613598356954152961/769605996824887346/4su6cp43ecp31.png
… I have way too many memes saved about how bad BfA was.
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It’s about 1/3 or 1/4 of Tirisfal.
No, it’s actually in an official interview.
Sylvanas fans loved to be able to commit genocide and have Sylvanas get away without a scratch.
Blizz never said the Horde was evil either, and if Sylvanas is not evil the Horde automatically isn’t either because apparently it was all Sylvanas fault.
She is indeed, and will remain so until she’s dead and dealt with. Before that happens, she could rejoin the Horde at any time.
She did secure Kalimdor for the Horde and got them a peace treaty on their conditions 
Then don’t say the Horde is any better than Sylvanas
Not the revenge story, that one’s over.
Yea, he was killed 2 years later. Sylvanas already has atleast 3 years to survive, plus blizz confirmed her survival and her redemption.
Besides that Theramore was just a mostly empty city while in the BfA pre patch, the night elf race was basically eradicated besides their leaders.
And Delaryn wasn’t born in BfA either, this point is really bad. Rastakhan was introduced in bfa just like delaryn
“Well we would, but we already committed a bunch of resources to rebuilding Stromgarde. Seeing as Arathi has always been a flashpoint even when we’ve been at peace with the Horde, we presumably could’ve done this whenever we wanted. But Danath felt like this would be a good time to relive some Warcraft 2 fights, so we have no men to spare”
It’s just odd the Kaldorei were made to stand alone when the Alliance spared no expense with Lordaeron, Kul Tiras and Stromgarde. But when the non-humans want some help reclaiming or defending their territory it’s just not in the budget.
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Or even slightly altered Humans. How long have they left Gilneas to sit and rot, now?
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Gilneas is schrodinger’s zone.
Originally it was going to be the setting for an urban EBG. You can actually see this, the city is practically designed for a team battle with it’s segmented wheel nature. Which is why I hate that if you’ve even started the Silverpine quest you can never be in the same phase as the Alliance’s version. Because I’d love to organize some WPvP there.
But I guess that playtested terribly so they scrapped that idea. So now they suggest the Forsaken either blighted it or are occupying it. But this is never even remotely suggested in the Horde storyline.
The Worgen War ends in a stalemate at Graymane’s Wall. The Alliance retreat back into Gilneas. I just assumed it was still an Alliance zone for a very long time.
Because you go from there to Hillsbrad. The Bloodfangs are still fighting a guerilla war with the Forsaken near Southshore, but the Stormpikes and SI:7 are the chief Alliance antagonists in that area. Gilneas isn’t brought up again.
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It’s all over the place. At some point in Cata, a black drakonid takes over the place. But the BG is also happening, too. But at the end of MoP, Varian says it still needs to be cleansed of the blight. That never really goes anywhere, but there are mission table missions (however canon they are) saying the Alliance is using it to push into Lordaeron. So 
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Except the entire point of the Zandalari allying with the Horde was for their navy so the Horde could control the sea… But the Alliance already placed the bombs on all the ships. All we had to do is blow them up and that nullifies the Zandalari threat without having to have a suicide squad, assault the city, and kill their king.
Not to mention the entire waste of the Alliance resources in the entirety of Zandalar… think about it. If Anduin had actually helped Tyrande they could have blitzed through Darkshore, and then Ashenvale, and then sieged Orgrimmar. The Horde losses their biggest capital, and at that point the Zandalari wouldn’t want to ally with them.
Seriously, why would they ally with the group that is losing on all fronts and just lost their biggest base? The Zandalari seem like proud people so if they saw the Horde losing like that to me I feel like they’d tell them to scram because they don’t want any of what they are selling.
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That’s the weird thing, you fight in Gilneas with conventional weapons. At the start of the story the Worgen have driven the Forsaken to the border of Tirisfal. You then drive them back and into Gilneas. Then the Alliance turn up and drive you back out, where you hold the line at Shadowfang Keep. Until you get reinforcements and kidnap Crowley’s daughter to push the Alliance back to the wall and ransom her for peace.
Then Godfrey ganks Slyvanas, somehow, so you double back to SFK to sort him out. Then you’re sent to Hillsbrad where your interaction with the Alliance is mostly dealing with the Stormpike trying to overrun Tarren Mill.
At no point do you blight Gilneas. Last time you see it, it’s been reclaimed by the Alliance and you sneak through enemy lines to nab Godfrey’s corpse. You get airlifted out by a Valkyr before you’re swamped by like 50 worgen.
Didn’t one of the devs also say that control of it was what sparked the Arathi warfront?
I’d say the Cata quest with the black dragons probably isn’t canon, as it is only the rogue legendary quest. So I’d say Gilneas City was probably blighted and needed to be cleansed as of MoP, but since then , it has been what 3 years in lore? Maybe they did clean up some of it which is why on the mission table we see that the Gilneans and Alliance are pushing out of Gilneas into Lordaeron against the Forsaken.
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The horde was already winning the Zandalari over, if I recall correctly. Talanji wanted them from the start, and you already fight for and save Rastakhan at least once. Basically, the alliance plan was too late because they were practically already allies (and the Zandalari even inexplicably attack in the quests leading up to it, implying they’re already fighting with the horde).
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On a Forsaken warship, while wearing Orgrimmar tabards.
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And the weirdest part of Gilneas / Silverpine is the Worgen player doesnt do anything cool.
In the first part of Silverpine you frequently see the result of a big worgen surprise attack and you’ve to collect Forsaken dog tags and mop up whats left.
I’d just assumed on the flipside youd be playing all these dramatic guerilla attacks. But nah you leave Gilneas like the moment things are getting interesting.
Its hard to work out the timelines really. You don’t ever hear about that big fight between the Nelves and the Orcs. In fact the Orc backup you get is a bunch of incompetent drunks who get their boats and supplies destroyed. The Forsaken feel more or less on their own which is why it’s an “Oh Ish!” moment when the Alliance turn up.
But the Kaldorei were already there in force but you never see this represented. I’m not sure why it would’ve been easy to throw in some Kaldorei enemies and the 7th Legion turning up would still escalate things.
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