A New Hope

Maybe you missed the part where they got to stand beside Anduin, which by definition makes them the good guys of the story.

Yeah that was the first thing I mentioned when talking about her. When she’s dedicated to her people she’s something to fear but she does like to sell them down the river at the first opportunity for more personal power.

Also, no? Azshara would have been sitting in her palace eating imported grapes peeled by slaves while her people fought and died in droves. Only when the Horde reached the gates and the Sentinels had been broken and scattered would she have deigned to get up and do something.

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It’s actually more than that. She considered the Non-Highborne Night Elves an inferior species, and she actively desired that the Legion would purge them from her “perfect” empire.

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Leaving aside the other Old Gods, you don’t think she would be above cutting a deal with Sylvanas?

Eh it’s possible thousands of years as a mutated snake lady and being repeatedly humiliated by the player character, including being rescued once, would have changed even her view on that.

Given what happened the last time she consorted with a conniving character like the Old Gods and Sylvanas she probably wouldn’t be so quick to do it again.

Where is that from?

You realize we are talking Azshara here?

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Do egotistical people not learn from their mistakes? Especially ones that harm said ego. Like, say, spending thousands of years as a glorified puppet. Something I’m sure she had to realize eventually.

It’s from War of the Ancients, when Azshara is told that the Legion is slaughtering the common folk she reacts with delight that she will be presenting a newly perfected world to her “husband to be”. As she had decided that only Sargeras had sufficient stature to be her mate.

I had been my understanding that even Azshara was surprised when the demons came through and started killing. I guess she was surprise, just not unhappy about it.

Not at all. Azshara was a xenophobe’s xenophobe. A Highborne’s highborne. She literally saw non-Highborn life on her world as an infestation and believe that the Legion was the means to purge it from the planet. She actually was and is that level of evil.

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This quest felt wrong, doing it on my Human Rogue.
But that was the only character I did the quest chain on.

Still beats being used as warm bodies to throw at reclaiming not one, but two long dead Human kingdoms. Or having your race, still recovering from an attempted genocide, be placed into literal suicide squads because some Humans thought killing Trolls would make them not want to be Horde.

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I will never get over this and how utterly stupid it was, and then Anduin stops pressing the attack which would have won the war because “it would make the Alliance no better than Sylvanas”… Anduin is freaking moron and I hope he stays in the Maw to suffer for eternity.

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I recently got up to that point in the questline and Wyrmbane said that Genn had volunteered his own forces for that, which made me beg the question…did Tyrande actually give up some of hers for it too? Because if Wyrmbane had to get Genn’s permission, then they couldn’t have just been part of the human 7th legion.

It’s one of those weird accidental messages the game sends because it was too busy touching itself over how pure and noble and not-horde the alliance was. It was so silly. I think it was the first time the war campaign had any sort of friction to it whatsoever just for the dialogue to try to balm it over with a kumbaya.

It also suffered due to Zandalari not being a release race like was intended, because the Kul’tiran addition pushed the schedule behind. So I think it was the writers’ way of trying to work around it, since the Zandalari were already supposed to be a horde race at that point in the game.

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It was just a really weird, really bad story for the sake of getting a raid tier. Like, the idea of attacking the Zandalari to get them to spurn the Horde only really works if you stay and occupy the city to keep driving the wedge between them. And even then, the second you lose the slightest modicum of power over the city, they’ll just run back to the Horde anyway. It was an odd, unfeasible plan even before “Welp. Sorry about your king. Pleasedon’tjointheHordebyyyyeee!”

Ontop of which, I had to physically, sneakily swim up to each individual Zandalari ship, and place each individual charge. But for some reason we need suicide squads and a full-on naval invasion just to get the remote within range?

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That post BfD scene actually made me chuckle. We’re trying to discourage the Zandalari from joining the Horde. So let’s invade their capitol, rampage through their sacred temples, loot the treasury, and kill their king. We should also do this when the Horde has a large military force there, so they’ll be instrumental in frustrating or stopping all of our battle plans.

Surely this will convince the Zandalari that they shouldn’t befriend the Horde.

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Look at the map :woman_shrugging:

If blizz still says that we’re not evil and we get to commit a genocide against you and take your lands, and then Tyrande gets an entire expansion for herself where she never pays for her crimes sure.

yea everyone dislikes the story, that’s why Sylvanas fans are so openly celebrating it at every opportunity.

It was said that Sylvanas is not evil, and not just from her own perspective.

She’s a Horde character, or is Malfurion not an Alliance character because he was neutral at times?

Prove me that the Horde is willing to fight and bring Sylvanas to justice over killing more innocents then we can talk

Yea I should just be happy with 1 Val’kyr LOL

It says she’s dying so

he was in the story for a patch, introduced solely to die.

Not to mention that the Abyssal Scepter which is used to create the mist in Nazmir is also able to blow up ships just fine- horde side we do exactly that with Kul Tiran ships :wink: