I remember the cinematic that plays after questing in the Gilnean Cathedral and the part that sticks out the most is when Godfrey kneels in front of the cage and asks the captured worgen(Who is representing the player) and asks I wonder, just how much humanity is left within you?. That concept is never touched upon ever again, and it should have been a constant struggle for worgen in general.
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To be fair that was while the player was a mindless worgen and then was given the potion to regain our mind temporarily. Then after going through the ritual we regained âfull controlâ over our beast and were able to return to human form. That was just the end of that whole plot point.
I donât like it because the ritual gives the Gilneans balance over their feral side so they can return to human form, but it doesnât get rid of those primal instincts, the desire to hunt, and that inner rage from Goldrinn that they have. They should still be animalistic and vicious and we donât see that at all.
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I guess my point is, it should be a constant struggle for them. In the sense that How can I balance the wolf in me, with the little bit of humanity I have left. And like you said, I HATE how blizz just got rid of all the things that make them wolf men and turned them into basically furries with a anger problem.
Iâll be forever salty about how mismanaged the worgen are/been.
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Iâd be more sympathetic if we could leave out the âBlizzard hates usâ diatribe. It immediately invokes Night Elf karen vibes and makes it hard to take any of the criticism seriously.
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Iâm going to be honest, Iâm not looking for yours or anyones sympathy. Iâm just stating how I feel, you can take it however you like. 
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You do you.
Itâs not so much that Blizzard hates us so much as it feels like they added Worgen to be cool, but then didnât know how to write them and have just resigned to writing them as nothing more than furry Stormwind Humans which is not what any Worgen player wants.
On top of the Worgen Heritage Quest where they just straight up made it out that being a worgen is a bad thing and needs to go away.
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Well, being a worgen should be a bad thing, just like being undead. But you take what youâve got and make the best out of it.
If someone can turn it into a source of strength for them, be it physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. then all the better. But I think just saying âworgen goodâ makes the same misstep as the heritage quest going âworgen skin conditionâ.
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I understand that, which is why saying âBlizzard hates us!1â comes across as melodramatic and cringe. They just suck at writing.
No issue with the criticism of Worgen but this forum has been plagued with victimization complexes.
Imagine going to the grocery store and discovering that theyâve discontinued your favorite chip and then coming to the conclusion that management must hate you.
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Not really. Because the management doesnât beat you over the head for liking something different. But Blizzard does regularly moralizes to itâs player base why liking the Orcs, trolls, Worgen, Night Elves are a bad thing and you should feel bad for liking them.
Itâs not a coincidence these same races are p|ssed on constantly in the story by either being villan batted every other expac, trolls being treated as nothing more than savages/cannibals most of the time, and well we know how they think of the Elves and worgen.
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Can you prove that bad events happening to these fictional races are done because Blizzard wants to punish you for playing them?
Do you really not see how outlandish that sounds?
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Its kinda obvious most of the âterribleâ stuff happening to races is due to terrible writing.
Alt its just intentional to make you feel something (because apparently that is what a good story should make you feel (ok i worded that poorly, Ehm think of when the ugnaught character in mandalorian died, you feel it, you actually like the character he is noble and kind etc. Emotions etc)) ⌠but the only feeling that you feel is well âlike crapâ
Well, it is a hyperbole, but imo the point still stands.
Blizzard either canât or donât want to dwell into developing culture/ values/ fleshing out anything outside of their comfort zone.
The pattern is very visible :
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Instead of writing a narrative that worgen can be both a blessing and a curse and taking fun in managing the pros and cons of this condition, they only frame it as something bad that shouldnât define them.
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Instead of writing tauren in a complex matter, theyâre forever sidekicks especially to more competent night elves, and when they do get the spotlight, itâs not really them but their leader who is the most defined by being peace mongrel and by friendships with his super Alliance pals, instead of being an example of his people, of their virtues and flaws again. Tauren are peaceful, but theyâre not peacemongrels. With each expansion the Tauren are becoming less and less attractive as a race because of such shallow treatment.
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Orcs, instead of going wild with warrior culture, setting up hard rules of stuff that is acceptable and not acceptable to orcs and hone it, they constantly villain bat them and shame them for being brutish. Instead of taking the approach that just because youâre brutish doesnât mean you canât use it for good purpose. Just because you like to fight and take trophies, doesnât mean you have to pick up on weak and innocent. A warrior should take pride in taking a foe equal or greater to them. But since WoD, everything that could be salvaged from orcs was retconned, and they were all-time bad guys instead of a tiny fraction of the âgood guysâ.
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and exact same thing happens to trolls, instead of using their savagery and politics seriously, that they could have valid reasons to be upset with someone theyâre blatantly villain bat for not bending over for us, and the narrative is that the only good troll is the âdomesticatedâ troll, like Darkspears with their Exileâs reach description
âRenouncing the savagery of the other tribesâ. Funny, because WoD made âSavageâ sound as a positive trait, and Darkspears donât shy from violence. There are plenty of situations where they shown that they can be frightening foes.
But nope. And on top of that, they can never fight a legit foe that wronged them, no, each time we have to side with trolls itâs against the other made up rogue trolls. This pattern was not only done to death but shows to me that Blizzard is afraid to write trolls having legit grievances with outside foes, and justifying their point of view.
The list can go on and on. And this is why the council is so ugly to me. Because it feels like Horde is defanged in the process, especially with Baine, Calia, belf leader and Thalyssra swooning over Alliance. And Thrall returning just to be passive-aggressive and showing what a waste of time Horde is.
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Ahaha, tell me some more jokes yeah?
- Night elves shine in druidism, which they were introduced with, not tauren. It is the same with orc shamanism. Tauren do in fact shine in other instances, Huln being a good example.
- Night elf culture is a watered down version of their introduction, arguably not even the same anymore . Any positives have only ever come with huge negatives to counter them.
- Night elves are only competent now (highly debatable) because there have been a million complaints of their incompetence since their introduction in WoW, having been the settingâs âdeclining raceâ
Likewise. I wonât be content with a zone i hardly cared for though. Ashenvale or bust.
Lemme guess most of this thread is the same old whinging?
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Ashenvale is a beautiful zone. And when was the last time Darkshore was relevant? Back in vanilla questing?
I would say Cata because that is the first time we get to see Malfurion in WoW isnât it? I mean I donât particularly care about him, I like Tyrande more, but I feel like that was a big moment.
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Oh yeah, when he did the whole Shaman thing with the winds and suchâŚwhich I found odd. But itâs whatever.
He is in Darnassus as well before that.
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