Jeesh, way to miss a point.
I’m not saying that nelves didn’t get misstreatment. I’m saying that when tauren are used it’s only as a sidekicks, they never have a plot of their own, the only time they did was in MoP and it was mirroring nelves.
My point is for them to have truly unique plot on their own, where we learn about their politics, needs and culture. To try to make their druidism distinct, maybe try to search native american mythos and involve it in Tauren folklore?
This drives me insane, I hate this so much. I feel like as time goes on, these races are written more and more to look “civilised”.
Not all Trolls, you see
Yeah, because the only way to not be evil in this universe is to be like humans.
Druids were able to use nature as a whole, thats canon since wc3.
Weren’t other troll tribes doing stuff like canibalism and sacrificing themselves for their blood loas?
So what? Listen, if the trolls feel like eating someone instead of… say, executing them, that’s their business. If someone wants to die in the name of their loa, they can do that too. I don’t believe most Loa even ask for blood, anyway.
The issue is how you frame all of that.
If trolls were getting sacrificed without wanting that by other more violent trolls, and if the horde was like: “Yo, come to the Horde, we have Honor and spikes”, then I feel that they really left behind a more savage lifestyle that didn’t benefit them, but i know next to nothing about Troll lore, not for me to judge.
Invading other tribes and killing their people for their own Loa that the original tribe had no loyalty to is a different perspective, I think.
Also, I want trolls to be kinda gross and problematic and I stand by the opinion that it’s not synonymous with “evil”.
You don’t get it.
Being Savage is not equal to being evil.
Making Sacrifice to Loa doesn’t equal being evil.
Darkspears despite showing their savagery and Dark Rituals can manage very well, they can fight dirty, they can go berserk and cause carnage. It shouldn’t be deemed evil so long on what they use it on.
When we’re surrounded by various threats it’s even awesome to look menacing against your own foes.
I would want for people to run from trolls in fear! They can be absolute worst against enemies, and be totally chill bros outside of war.
But this game frames savagery as something bad, period. While spending so much time in WoD using savage as something dignified.
I don’t want for trolls to be turned into humans, that they understand honor the same way and have the same values. I don’t want for their traits to be made to look evil, and twist them to something they’re not just to show that they’re not evil. They’re actually morally grey race.
I want for the narrative to finally acknowledge their right to the land that they occupy, their right to defend themselves even if they can be savage about it, and don’t frame them as evil when they’re not bending over for us.
You’re right. I don’t get it, I really don’t, so I’ll just assume that is the common wish of troll players and wish you can get the narrative you want.
And you’d imagine that nelfie would understand it.
For all the posters complaining how nelves were defanged and not savage anymore.
But I guess it’s another symptoms of :
Well, I personally never saw nelves as savages in that sense, normally night elf and savage go together when it comes to the battlefield. Nothing like sacrificing each other for their blood gods or canibalism.
Nelfs: will ambush silently and slit your throat by falling from a tree onto your head.
Trolls: will eat your hands and make a necklace out of your fingerbones.
Different flavours of “savage”.
Nelves were making sacrifices out of fallen enemies too, the altar in Desolace was for that
They’re no different to trolls.
Perhaps. I just remember some nelf fans saying they want the “clean” type of savage, without much blood.
Where is that? The only Night Elf ritual i’ve seen using sacrifice was the Night Warrior one.
DING DING DING!! This guy gets it. This is the big problem with the writing of the races in WoW.
They try to humanize them too much, there is a way to write each one as having their own customs and way of living without it being seen as evil. It is also incredibly boring, this is mainly an issue on the Alliance side more so than Horde, having all of our races conform to and just follow the customs and ways of the Stormwind Humans.
I don’t want that. I want to see all the unique and different cultures and lives of the races of the Alliance, I don’t want everything assimilated and homogenized into just boring Stormwind Humans. Unfortunately that is the route we are going on Alliance, and to a lesser extent the Horde since the Council is all about following Anduin’s ideals.
BINGO HERE!
Current Blizzard writers are seem to be like those dungeon master that only likes humans and tolkien elves and doesn’t let you play if you pick outside of those two(including halflings)
Lol, it doesn’t work like that. You can’t cherry pick stuff you don’t like and pretend it doesn’t exist.
Nelves are killing machines, they’re skilled in torturing ( the short stories) and they were also making sacrifices.
As I said, it’s in Desolace, you’re welcome to make a trip there :
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ten_Pounds_of_Flesh
Oh, thanks for the info!
That puts a new perspective on things to me for sure.
And get the other side of the argument, that Blizzard is being racist for making their race too much like an existing people’s culture.
Err… No. Not Savage =/= Human.
Unless you’re equating being “human” as the standard of being “civilized,” a standard that only exists in YOUR mind and then Criticizing blizzard for forcing the narrative to follow YOUR made-up standard.