What the Horde do is extremely important though. If the Horde don’t take advantage of the map by immediately hard capping SHGY and prevent Alliance from hard capping anything south then yes, the Alliance has a chance to win. That doesn’t mean the map wasn’t just as unbalanced in Vanilla it just means the Horde back then didn’t know how to use that unbalance in their favor.
Well, feel free to tell them that, they are quite good at making repetitious posts swearing it is so.
And of course, then everyone hops on the band wagon.
You will likely be accused of being a Horde main posting on a retail toon, but such is life.
Personally, i prefer to try and hang back a moment, out of notice.
Try and trick them to commit to Bal, then bounce in and let mayhem ensue.
Does not work always of course, but does work a lot.
Does NOT work, if everyone not on same page.
I don’t know if it’s exactly 99%, but PUG v PUG, the Horde win a very high percentage. Definitely north of 90%. And it’s also true that Horde own approximately 2/3 of the map to begin the game. Horde can intercept Alliance wherever they go before they reach mid.
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Sure.
And you win by killing npcs.
Horde having faster access to the alliance base pretty much force ally to act like it is a race. Because for alliance, it is a race.
And alliance just to get in IBGY gotta kill horde respawns for over 5 times, horde? 1 or 2 if they want to rush it. But they just keeping gy ganking it.
What are you going on about? That fight can go on a good, long time and sometimes alliance pushes back and sometimes the horde does. There’s a lot of factors here.
What’s certain is that the horde gets those starting points pretty easily and puts the alliance on the defensive from the start. Obviously other factors come into play when we start talking about who loses what battles and how often.
Good that you agree with the alliance then! Because every choker point for alliance literally helps the attacker, the only exception is the bridge which all horde just backdoor nowadays. I barely see hrode trying to get the bridge before backdooring killed all archers and is flaking the alliance.
Glad you agree with the alliance 
Btw saw you in a pvp video!
Seriously losing a 3vs1 against a druid? and you think horde is good? lol
The map which alliance won for years was actually pre 1.12 and post 2.3 till legion.
But it is okay we all know you dont understand about anything you post but good souls like me will always teach.
You are welcome.
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They, they, they. There’s a lot of people talking here and some of them are probably shills for the other side who are throwing in nonsense to muddy the issue. Anyone who is truly interested in good debate should ignore the nonsense and just talk facts.
Let’s face it, people who are passionate about PVP should be happy to improve the battles so they are worth winning. Steamrolling an enemy may be satisfying in the short run but in the long run you realize they are all empty victories without a good opponent.
Something has gone horribly wrong here and both sides should be invested in solving the issues.
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time during which alliance have the positoin and number.
sometimes alliance pushes back and sometimes the horde does.
according to this forum horde wins >95%
. There’s a lot of factors here.
the main one being how good alliance PvP’er stick to their own premade… currently in WSG… but it’s also the one factor the regular alliance player won’t ever point out.
What’s certain is that the horde gets those starting points pretty easily
well yeah, since most of the time alliance don’t bother attacking the horde while they are on balinda + 5 Lt. at once. if you fought back stuff wouldn’t be so easy.
puts the alliance on the defensive from the start.
alliance not defending is the main problem.
More like 99%, yes.
We’re talking about the difference between battles and skirmishes. Sometimes that particular skirmish the alliance does push back, just to eventually lose the whole battle at a later point.
Here’s your options: git gud, reroll/quit or go back to retail
right. so horde getting to the field of strife 10 second earlier means absolutely nothing.
glad we agree on that
Horde racials are a primary reason for PvE raiding. PvP not soo much.
And you only mad because hrode would lose a lot if not all AVs when cave is moved back.
Um, no. Tell you what, you go back and read what I’ve written and see if that informs you. I’m not going to repeat it dozens of times.
its actually 35 seconds earlier.
And it changes a lot because you can keep ally in defensive and use the GY location on your favor too to keep zerging.
Nice personal attacks, except the fact is Alliance won a ton of AV matches after patch 1.12 and cross realm battlegrounds were implemented. So that would be the patch 1.12 map they won on. Try again!
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its actually 35 seconds earlier.
And it changes a lot because you can keep ally in defensive and use the GY location on your favor too to keep zerging.
the irony…
Doesnt exist.
Next.
According to reality tbh
If tou played classic you would know.
So does horde?
And what does that mean? Map advantage is still there.
They do but 40vs 20 is ppretty bad odds.
Alliance defend what? SHGY two flanks.
Stormpike gy? 3 flanks
Aid station can be backdoores making horde two flank from bridge and south.
SO basically ya.
You are pretty wrong. Grats,
Um, what?
I think you might be very confused here. You should probably take a break.