Horde make it to Bal before we do every time because their spawn is closer. look at the map
Horde crosses mid before Alliance enters FoS. They get to decide whether to allow Alliance to go by SF pass or to intercept. If Alliance decide to defend SHGY or Bal the Horde can attach SHB and/or hold mid until the Alliance engages.
Regardless: they can decide that the first skirmish occurs on the Alliance side of the map if they want, which is decidedly an advantage for Horde.
Imagine the crying from horde if Blizz swapped the map around. Itâd be non stop tears on this forum for months
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The Horde easily prevents Alliance from riding straight to IBGY or at least are able to cut the Alliance in two (only full premades with riding gear and coordination of mages intercepting the intercepters could routinely prevent this, although a sufficient number of Horde intercepters could nearly always force a fight).
If Alliance manage to get 15 to IBGY and tags the GY, then the rest are likely going to get sent to the wrong side of the SHGY choke and the Alliance force will be split in half while Horde wear down the remaining number at IBGY.
If Alliance dismount and fight across FoS in order to avoid being split in half, then they are likely to face respawns in the IB choke.
Lol. Being shown how every objective is closer for the horde and still clings to thinking thereâs some hidden alliance advantage.
Horde are obviously so superior they can overcome this disadvantage you think they suffer from and still win 99% of games.
Youâre either being purposefully obtuse, or youâre not very smart. Thinking that there are significant differences between faction playerbases just shows ignorance. Probably 50% of the people playing one faction now have played on the other faction at some point as well.
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To put it rudely blunt, because you havenât a clue what youâre doing mate.
Your +100% mounts, plus speed buffs, plus PROPER pathing, puts you at Bal before horde, Every time. (though some times it is to the advantage to hang back a few sec until they commit to Bal)
No, itâs not 10 minutes before the horde show up or some stupidly long time like that, but you will arrive there 1st.
If you do not, You are doing it wrong. Just that simple.
And before someone argues âOh so we have to have 100% mounts and speed buffsâ YES YOU DO! Because the Horde also has them.
If you can convince them to all use 60% mounts and put their carrots and spurs etc in the bank, then you donât, but youâd have better luck legally marrying your own mother before you convinced anyone to do that.
If it was such a disadvantage for Horde to attack SHGY first, they have the option to sit at the IB choke and use the towers/NPCs there to their advantage. Alliance donât get to pick.
You can ride up the backdoor and ranged can hit any Alliance defending it. You absolutely cannot effectively defend it 3 v 20. Insanity to suggest that you can.
The SH choke isnât useful for defending SHGY from Alliance perspective, though. If Alliance bottles up the choke then Horde will be able to tag SHGY fairly easily.
Or, they might wipe you at Bal, and then weâd just have more silly threads instead of people trying to figure out Ok, how do we play this right instead of getting rolled over.
Alliance PUGs are defending SHGY more now, but even if they win the initial clash theyâre still unlikely to win because of the map, whereas Horde winning the initial clash can immediately set up the SHGY choke and bottle up Alliance until either (a) ice lord breaks down the front door of DB or (b) enough Alliance give up that they donât need him anymore.
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Um, no. This is twisting the truth, overblowing it, or simply sock puppets putting disinformation out there so that the other side looks silly.
Obviously the two sides reach her building at about the same time. The horde start out closer to the mid and are able to attack several things without much interference until after the fact. They can be at SFGY first, SHGY first, and get to some of the alliance officers either at the same time or first.
Alliance can defend Balinda if they choose to, of course this means that the horde will pile on them and the initial battle will be fought mainly north of center. From there the horde already have some points and the alliance is behind.
Does this decide the entire battle? No, but it is an advantage.
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in which case itâs now a 40v40 near the ally GY and a bunch of NPC roaming around if the horde move a bit too much.
they have the option to sit at the IB
you have the best choke on the map: the bridge. but ally never use it cause the famed backdoor (who can be defended by 3-4 people) exist?
You can ride up the backdoor and ranged can hit any Alliance defending it and any horde fighting in that area is in range of the bunker, all the ally NPC, their graveyard is halfway across the map and so on.
You absolutely cannot effectively defend it 3 v 20. Insanity to suggest that you can.
just get 3 mage on top of the bunker dropping some AoE on anyone trying to hop over.
The SH choke isnât useful for defending SHGY from Alliance perspective,
and the alliance perspective suck.
you know how the horde have those 10-15 man squad intercepting people around the field of strife when ally try to ignore PvP? you donât need a super imba choke like your bridge to choke the offense.
Dont forget the horde can just jump off the back of IBGY
UhhhhâŚwhat? You have to mount a successful offense in order to win AV. Alliance would have to eventually win fights with NPCs involved in order to win the BG. IF it was some huge advantage for Alliance to fight in their territory first then Horde have the option of setting up the IB choke and waiting for themâŚAlliance donât have any option. Getting first crack at offense is a massive advantage.
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Why would you willfully involve 5 elites in that fight? The only elite that actually needs to be involved at all is the one by SHGY flag. Their aggro radii arenât that big.
Omg enough already the alliance s@ck we get it. Blizzard will move the cave back to where it is in retail and u will all still get steamrolled because horde have better strats instead of trying to pve the end boss all the time.
Who knows maybe they will put resources in and then u can gloat about winning because u killed 600 horde.
The smart thing is for a hunter or two to grab them and kite them away from the front line. Then a couple of people can take down each one quickly. It doesnât divert much from the fight to do this and is better than fighting them on the front lines.
- the one roaming down the ramp. + the one roaming between SH bunker and SH GY. you do know people donât sit in a tight 10X10 square while fighting?
but somehow the alliance will still lose that 35V40 fight around SH:GY cause the IB choke is soo good⌠right?
If horde use their speed buffs + mounts + proper pathing, they still arrive at Belinda at the same time we do.
Whatâs funny is that you think even if we arrive within a few seconds of eachother at the alliance commander youâve proven something important. Letâs not forget that if weâre talking actual balance, we should arrive at GALVANGAR at the same time, but instead we have 25-30% more distance to cover.
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Distance to contested IBGY is shorter when reinforcing from horde starting cave than from SHGY.
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Distance to contested SHGY is shorter when reinforcing from IBGY than from SPGY.
These are extremely significant advantages to capturing midfield graveyards. How close you are to objectives is very significant, especially when racing to reinforce.
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