It’s funny how it’s only alliance posters telling forsaken fans that they actually like calia and that the forsaken need to change.
But they want more of dwarves killing troll children. Talk about talking out both sides of one’s mouth
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Would you prefer an alliance that hugs the trolls and then tucks in their kids in their beds at night?
No. I’d prefer people to stop pretending the Forsaken are some loving tribute to the life and times of Josef Mengele while giving a thumbs up to everything else screwed up in this setting.
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Burning of Teldrassil and the blighting of Southshore. Dwarves killed troll whelps in their starter zone. I do think Alliance needs to be held accountable and dwarves especially need more oversight. Stormpike imperial mandate etc.
Both factions need to change, but Dwarves have gotten away with it because of how low-key it was played out. However, the Alliance won the war. Just like how America dropped nuclear bombs and nobody held them accountable. Reason? They won the war and as they say, “To the victor goes the spoils.” The Horde lost the Fourth War and the Forsaken especially have been called out.
To be fair, I think every faction needs to be held to the same standard, but post Fourth War only the Forsaken are being really called out because of Sylvanas Windrunner’s actions and their support of her. They are now the victims of their own success and apathy.
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The Afrasiabi cut.
Of course, that wont happen unless it turns out his accuser was Amber Turd.
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Thats fair, but right now Blizzard seems to want to show Forsaken in a more tempered, nice and reasonable people.
That’s Calia.
If you want the Forsaken to continue being monsters then I think Blizzard should show and treat them as monsters… shame them, show open hostility and etc and etc.
We can’t have both at the same time, thats what we got in Cataclysm and BFA until finally Baine realized being bad is bad. Basically just commit to one solution and take it all the way for better or worse.
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I feel like they will for a time try and push this reformed Forsaken under Calia for the forseeable future. But I also see a lot of longtime Forsaken fans pushing back against this narrative.
At this time, the only people happy about Calia are the Alliance fans, that doesn’t bode well for a HORDE faction.
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I think they are using Calia as a way of avoiding future conflict and trying to use that as a way of making sense of the coming, eventual, faction merge.
I do think Calia is being unfairly judged by some players but I would have had preferred her alive and at the head of an Alliance expedition army to reclaim her throne. Conquering queens are a cool trope in fantasy.
On a meta level she would never complete the job obviously but it would have been a cool story to explore.
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The argument on these forums for weeks now is this inability for people to accept changes are coming and resistance to any reforms. Good response!
That’s what we’re seeing here.
That’s a lie born of assumption. People who play both factions and want a more redemptive narrative for the Horde are okay with the changes, to varying degrees, and you got to stop assuming most players agree with either side. The people I know don’t know the story let alone any nuance that goes with it. Only lore enthusiasts are posting and going back and forth.
Might be a good name for a rock band!.. then again, perhaps not. Too edgy.
Anyway, Calia just honestly is a thematic square peg being jammed into a round thematic hole. She doesn’t fit. I don’t mind her hanging around and trying to interject some hope, decency and morality into Forsaken culture, playing Jimney Cricket if you will, but I genuinely don’t want her to succeed at much behind preventing them from, say, literally throwing screaming kids into woodchippers. To me, the Forsaken primarily existed so that you could play a straightforward openly honestly evil character who doesn’t mope about 'was that really the right and honorable thing to do?" after accepting and completing a quest to exterminate an entire village of NPCs. I’m not saying that they never had or couldn’t have deeper themes, just that the game’s attempts at moralizing have been so nonsensical and frankly vaguely insulting that I’d rather lean into the Black Comedy Sociopathy aspect than tolerate anymore cultural homogenization, especially when they seem to want to homogenize everything into ‘Stormwind humans’, and ‘Stormwind humans’ they mean ‘Anduin’.
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They’ve said she won’t be a Horde character.
But they also said they weren’t going to Garrosh Sylvanas. And that’d she be morally gray.
Because I cant think of anything more morally gray than starting a world war with a genocide because you’re in league with the devil.
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Ill eat my hat. There is no way in heck that they are doing a faction merge.
Full cross faction capability? Sure. I would have preferred to see it be a feature of the gift of nzoth, but whatevs.
Getting rid of all faction conflict in the narrative? Not a chance. Not a snowballs chance in the firelands.
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Eventually, that’ll be all thats left, and only because they remember when it was good.
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They eat people. So, going to be pretty difficult to make them off as wholesome.
I know this for a fact because Sony’s made three movies now about completely heroic characters who eat people, and they’re all extremely weird.
Really is my favorite racial though. Can’t exactly assert dominance any harder than killing someone and eating them.
“You’re not just beneath me personally, but below me on the food chain”
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Well, remember that humans not only can (and have) eaten people, 
The main problem, to me, with Calia is that she is so much of an Alliance character. If she were to actually support her people against the Alliance, it would help. “No Genn, Lordaeron isn’t a place for the Alliance to “take”. It already belongs to its people!”
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Uhhh, what now? You’re comparing the Forsaken … to post-WW2 Germans? And I’m trolling?
I haven’t advocated for the “previous” regime. I’ve tried to stay pretty much on point for this topic. Calia, as presented and depicted in the lore and in-game is an awful choice, both from an in-game and external perspective. In lore she spent the entirety of her time post-Lordaeron away from the Forsaken, traumatized by the Forsaken, trying to convince the Forsaken to join the Alliance, and then raised by the Light. Externally she epitomizes the white savior trope, which is pretty awful, but she’s extremely reminiscent of what colonialist powers did worldwide.
Okay, now you’re trolling. And frankly, yikes.
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I may have a fuzzy grasp of history, but when did “He who must not be named in this forum” ever get a redemption arc?
Maybe they are not as analogous as you think.
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Tbf Hitler didn’t look nearly as good in a crop top so.
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So if we enjoy “Lament of the Highborn”, that means we yearn for the days of World War One Germany? How far back can this comparison go?
Is Calia Angela Merkel?
I dont agree. BfA ended with an Armistice. Which is more akin to the end of World War One.
So Sylvanas would be more like the Kaiser, Wilhem. Making Calia’s regime more like the Weimar Republic. And the real World War 2 Hitler stuff is on the way, with who ever comes next.
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