As usual, the cinematic team really knocked it out of the park.
It was set up perfectly… ball set on the tee just begging to be smashed out of the park.
Somehow Blizzard swung and knocked themselves unconscious.
How did we go from that trailer to what we got? Whenever WoW Classic WOTLK is winding down and folks are wondering if it’s WoW Classic Cataclysm or whatever coming next, how about we skip that and do:
“WoW Classic BFA Attempt 2” and we get to play a better version of BFA, with basically the thousands of lessons the game designers and narrative leads have learned over the course of BFA and Shadowlands combined into a better story. I’d go play that.
//I know, I know, the “lessons learned” will probably make it excruciatingly worse and I’ll regret this post.
I also feel like this is huge character development for Lillian. I think she needs to see that not all Forsaken can be good, just like she saw not all humans are good. I think Lillian needs a confidence boost and she does need to step into a leadership role or a stronger role in the Forsaken leadership.
Could just have her eat someone for that sweet, sweet in combat mana regen. Nothing like an ivory white robe to really show off the splatter of blood and viscera.
It dismisses her experiences during the fall of Lordaeron. Because she doesn’t know how it felt being a mindless Scourge killing her friends and family. That’s a stupid reason to say she cant be the “Forsaken leader.”
Not at all. Do you not understand what legitimacy means? You just trolling? She is the last Menethil who can bring peace. The Forsaken have their enemies all around them, Worgen to the South in Gilneast. Trollbane to the Southeast with a resurgent Stromgarde and not to mention the Wildhammer and Stormpikes in Alterac and the Hinterlands. They are surrounded by enemies on all sides and the Argent Crusade who is right to the East who aren’t their biggest fans. All these factions don’t trust the undead. Give them someone which can represent the Forsaken moving forward.
We are going to go around in circles. People like you refuse to understand politics, history and why the Forsaken need to change. The Forsaken are like the Germans after World War 2. The ones that sound like you are pining over the old “regime” they were “true Germans least they kept the trains running on time.” Instead of asking, “Where did those trains go?” The Forsaken like the Germans need the polar opposite person to lead them post Sylvanas who again is analogous to the former German leader.
Who is her antithesis? Who represents an enlightened view? Well Calia Menethil. Who wants a better future for the undead of Lordaeron? Calia does. Why? Because she wants co-existence and peace. If partisans keep fighting this. Then we are not going to see the Forsaken change. They weren’t good people under the old regime of Sylvanas. They may yet be under Calia.
I’ve a pretty good handle on both those topics, and no, one of the OG factions don’t have to change diddly squat to appease weird Blue antifans who cannot discern the difference between Hitler’s Germany and cartoon fantasy violence.
Blizzard compared the Fourth War to World War2. This game draws parallels from history and the Forsaken committed how many genocides? Do they not have any similarities? The way they’re written is to definitely draw comparisons. In WoW the Forsaken need to shift away from the old regime of Sylvanas. Compare and contrast the lore with our history and tell us how you think Forsaken should be allowed to keep their status quo.
Idk. Do the Forsaken have a supremacist ideology that was the inevitable logical conclusion of centuries of white supremacist justifications for the horrors of colonialism?
This comparison really only makes sense if your only frame of reference for fascism is pulp horror fiction.
But she has enough there that a short story could fill in the personal gaps. She has the High Rank, experience, and style, even without a story of her own. She is basically an ideal background character with just enough gravitas to justify leadership, even without knowing much about her personal story.
I have been a fan of hers since Vanilla. I remember my little Troll Rogue, arriving at Hammerfall, and exploring. My first Character on his way to Max level. I remember stumbling upon The Black Bride. She was intriguing and awe inspiring - even though she just chills there on her horse. She said cool stuff, had cool hair, and had a cool name.
I wanted to know more about her but there wasn’t much back then. There hasn’t been much since. But I always think fondly upon Hammerfall, for many reasons, and she is one reason.
Funny, I think the opposite. I think 90% of her story can be based on what is there already. She doesn’t have a known real name, so giving her one - or making it a mystery - could be part of her charm.
They had a demagogue as their leader who insisted people purge their old lives and systems of beliefs to adopt a radical cult of personality. Sylvanas even at the end was demanding book burnings, anyone who disagreed was free to disappear, and as she fell further into her own depravities. Many of the Forsaken joined her.
The Forsaken even colonized areas where the living remained as in Ambermill, Hillsbrad, Pyrewood, Gilneas and Southshore. How many lives did their imperial mandate take for the Forsaken to “procreate” and colonize these newly taken areas? We cant ignore that the intent of Blizzard was to impress upon us the players that the Forsaken are cruel, evil and fascistic. They were led by a totalitarian ruler. The whole point I am making is that the Forsaken need to now shift their agendas to be accepted within the story by all the factions that surround them. More so, they need to be better than they were.
After the Burning of Teldrassil and the Battle for Darkshore they don’t have much wiggle room to refute the anger and bitterness they’ve wrought upon themselves. If they are to survive as a people it’s by moving away from the Sylvanas worldviews. Nihilism. Hatred of the living. Torturing and experimenting on the living. All that needs to be put behind them. The Horde Council shouldn’t accept the remaining Forsaken back to their ranks if they can’t show they have learned anything or will continue to cause problems for their allies.
My favorite part of WW2 was when Hitler trapped Churchill in the Devil’s laundry room and told him about how all of this was because he really missed his baby brother.
Then of course Stalin wound up forgiving Hitler because it turned out the nice parts of him were stuck in a jar. Thats actually why he could only grow 1/4th of a mustache.
You’re being ridiculous in your response. If you can’t take it seriously that the Forsaken need new leadership. There’s no point in furthering the conversation. History is a tool that Blizzard was using to write their story. Of course, in a fantasy world it won’t be 1:1, but the facts are that the Forsaken need to be like Germany post World War 2. They need to change culturally, economically and militarily to something new. If you can’t accept that’s the way the narrative is leaning towards. Then whatever. This isn’t about WW2, but only broad parallels and how the aftermath of the Fourth War is likely to play out come Dragonflight expansion. We know they can’t leave this mess with the Forsaken going back to the status quo. Let’s see how it will play out with Calia Menethil getting her story fleshed out.
There’s some charm which we all enjoy, but after the genocides they can still be melancholic, they can be funny, and even have gallow’s humor about their condition, but they can’t remain the faction they are. It’s untennable in terms of the lore. After what they’ve done the other factions have no logical reason to accept them. That’s why they can keep a version of themselves, but everything else has to be abandoned. They can’t be sociopathic nihilists melting children with blight. They can however be like in the old Halloween events where the Tarren Mill and Southshore characters would throw stink bombs at each other and harass each other with bad antics which are at best childish. That’s it. No more, genocidal scamps who get away with it.
Apparently you can’t get enough of that content. So, weird you think the Forsaken should change. I’m getting the sneaking suspicion you only dislike the Forsaken because they’ve beaten the Alliance.
