youre just one of those people who keeps arguments/conversations going way longer than they need to because you herald yourself as some open minded discusser but blatantly ignore or manipulate anyones input or opinions. the most sleezy type of debater because your opinions are concrete but your mask them as malleable
I didnât say you. And I vehemently disagree one fresh server of each type would hurt TBC in the long run. On the contrary it would provide a very popular and desired service.
Let me put it like this: either Blizz adds a fresh, boostless TBC server and I play, or they donât and I donât play. So thatâs my vantage point. Now when I say that the standard trolls chime in with, âLol⌠yeah right!! See ya day 1 TBCâ thinking theyâre clever. But they mean nothing to me, and theyâd be wrong.
#1 thread on the TBC forum.
Sure. But youâre delusional if you think that is because fresh server is a thing. It is a controversial topic and for a certainty you cannot say it is popular thing - the discussion around fresh servers is popular, with divided opinions, and not enough people to justify activating a new server for that.
youre just one of those people who keeps arguments/conversations going way longer than they need to because you herald yourself as some open minded discusser but blatantly ignore or manipulate anyones input or opinions.
That is your way of saying âplease stop asking from where I pull the data about what I affirm here being truthâ?
the most sleezy type of debater because your opinions are concrete but your mask them as malleable
That would be the person that says âthere are more people who buy gold than people who do not buy goldâ. And that was you.
Where is your proof of the many voices? (lol)
On this thread. Feel free to read it.
i wish you well in your future career in politics. my reasoning and logic is truly no match for the great fallacy debater. when I get my fresh server ill name myself Thereza in honor of your last stand on the forums
I mean, I donât see the issue of starting one fresh, boostless server per realm; If you want to sit in your pile of booster/bought/earned gold cool. You deserve to keep your investment.
Thereâs really no argument bar âREEEEEEâ against it. Pls b kind Thereza.
i wish you well in your future career in politics. my reasoning and logic is truly no match for the great fallacy debater.
And again, you keep attacking me instead of discussing the arguments we have made. Seems that you got stuck hard when I asked you where are you getting this data from and how can you prove what youâre claiming for.
when I get my fresh server ill name myself Thereza in honor of your last stand on the forums
I will remember this, and when the servers are out and there are no fresh servers, I hope you remember that I told you so.
On this thread. Feel free to read it.
I have, cant really find them. only see the same 10 people or so bashing on this thread.
You are one them btw(no big surprise there).
You are pretty predictable, when you disagree but cant answer logically you ask for proofs, and when people ask you for proofs you wont give them.
I wouldnât really call us âfewâ, this is the #1 thread on the classic TBC forum with 4.9k likes
Iâm not talking about this thread. Iâm talking the many threads prior to BC even being mentioned out of Blizzâs mouth, at all. I was one of the few âfreshâ BC paraders when discussing how to go about BC. I didnât wait, until the last minute to talk about it. Still, 4.9k Likes doesnât mean much. You can Heart the same topic with other Avatars, of your account. So, who knows how many of those Hearts are just duplicates of the same Account. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And, being â#1â on the Forums, of all places, doesnât mean much, either. Iâve been a part of this thread, for awhile opposing it and being called all kinds of names and falsely reported, numerously. But, Iâve come to befriend some of these folks, despite disagreeing with them
I just continue fighting my way through, the adversity.
And the condescending pricks are talking about me between themselves - instead of talking about arguments, they talk about my person
To be fair, your first swing at me was an ad hominem despite agreeing with you.
That just show how petty they are.
Yeah, youâre one of them, too. So, donât pretend youâre excluded from that matter and taking the high ground.
I didnât say you.
Me who is against the NEW Server idea is included in that category.
And I vehemently disagree one fresh server of each type would hurt TBC in the long run.
And, I think it will. Thereâs even cries for NEW Classic Servers, even to try to âre-doâ Classic, again without all the Mage Boosting, Gold Buying, Botting, etc., when thatâs not going to happen. Regardless of how many NEW Servers we make. Which is why we need to stop it with all these NEW Servers that spreads us too thinly by the time Perma arrives.
On the contrary it would provide a very popular and desired service
A temporary solution, like Iâve been saying that wonât fix anything. So, when the Servers become the exact same garbage youâve been running from, what next? Create more NEW Servers? NO!
they donât and I donât play
Then donât. I couldnât care less if you leave or not. Personally, I wouldnât mind because you seem to be more focused on your own wants and desires rather than seeing the point of view of somebody else. If we can not hurt Perma Servers, as they arrive, I couldnât care less how many NEW Servers, yâall want.
âLol⌠yeah right!! See ya day 1 TBCâ thinking theyâre clever. But they mean nothing to me, and theyâd be wrong
OK quit, then.
Iâm confident in Blizz still providing NEW Servers, though. The chances of turning off the Level 58 Boost Feature, thoughâŚis a different story.
And, being â#1â on the Forums, of all places, doesnât mean much, either.
Sorry, I thought this was TBC official forum.
Iâm sure blizzard would agree with you saying that the most popular thread on their forum âdoesnât mean muchâ.
You must really know what blizzard care or does not care about, can you share your inside information so us plebs know the proper channel to ask for fresh servers?
Sorry, I thought this was TBC official forum.
It is, but you do realize not EVERY single WoW player posts on the Forums, right? I can tell you that the Standard Game Forums receives way more activity than the Classic Forums do (this includes the BC Forums, as well).
Iâm sure blizzard would agree with you saying that the most popular thread on their forum âdoesnât mean muchâ
It doesnât. If you look at the context, itâs just the same people spamming it with the same jargon, like we always do.
You must really know what blizzard care or does not care about, can you share your inside information so us plebs know the proper channel to ask for fresh servers?
Sure, use more âcommon senseâ
I have, cant really find them. only see the same 10 people or so bashing on this thread.
You are one them btw(no big surprise there).
Let me help you find just 11, so I can already beat your argument:
#1
Why so you can quit again after 3 months and complain about how youâre behind again? Every time, every server. You all quit before the real content comes out anyway and the servers end up dead wastelands. Fresh boys on suicide watch and itâs hype, daddy blizz wants those server xfer and boost bucks.
Fresh Squad in Shambles.
#2
Iâm good you should just play the game, Fresh isnt happening. Good luck have fun âquittingâ
#3
you think these kids understand any of that? Theyâre dumb. Half of the people in this post arent even posting with 60s, because they never got to 60 LMAO
#4
Fresh servers will be no different, There will still be boosts gold buyers and GDKP runs and youâre an idiot if you think otherwise.
#5
There will be no âtransferâ to Burning Crusade. Your realm will be progressed to Burning Crusade. Why would be a gold cap for it?
Instead of wasting time on forums, you should go and get level 60.
It is not playersâ fault that you have no gold at all.
#5
There is no need to further dilute the population with fresh servers. Thereâs plenty of low pop/almost dead servers you can play on.
The âruinedâ economy argument is funny. Whenever I ask what is so ruined about the economy (hint: itâs not, itâs simple economics with inflation/deflation), I never get a clear answer. The answers I get are purely selfish/jealous answers such as : well some people will be able to buy their epic flyer right away and I wonât, because I couldnât be bothered to play Classic.
Furthermore, fresh caters to people that donât stay subbed. They whine about wanting fresh, fall behind, whine again. This is not a healthy way to run an MMORPG and Iâm very encouraged that Blizzard realized this and did not announce fresh servers.
To those that say âthis doesnât affect youâ. It does, it reduces the communities of existing servers for no reason.
Thank you blizzard for not listening to this irrelevant minority and not releasing any fresh servers. You can get started on your new âfreshâ character now on Arcanite Reaper. They need help.
#7
Iâm going to echo the sentiment a few in this thread have had. I donât see the point of fresh TBC servers without a serious effort by blizzard to also tackle the bot problem and curb the player behaviors (e.g. GDKP) that drive gold buying/botting.
All the benefits you described for fresh servers would evaporate within a few weeks. Nobody likes fresh servers more than gold buyers, sellers and botters, and I donât believe blizz will have these problems worked out by the time TBC launches. Within a few weeks, the first GDKP groups will form and before you know it, the fresh TBC servers have the same problems as the non-fresh ones.
Fresh TBC at this point is imo the most optimal way to experience TBC, but until thereâs some serious effort shown by blizz that they will actually tackle all these problems, all it is going to achieve is fracturing the community for little gain. Iâd be more interested in fresh TBC if it launches mid classic TBC, with some progress shown by blizz that they have the protections in place to make sure the fresh servers donât become classic 2.0.
#8
fresh tbc wont happen because it only brings more complaining from the fresh community. This will open endless complaining about dead battleground groups and low pop/dead servers.
#9
You can always go to a less populated server, instead of a company losing resources
#10
Yea but youâre wrong. Fresh boys are always idiots who drop the game in three months. Your opinion isnât valid and no one should pay attention to it. As soon as gruul dies why youâre still level 33 youâll be reeeeing about fresh. Again.
#11
So you want to be in the same battleground group, or a dead one? With so many expensions in retail, there is never a problem that people bring gold from previous expansion.
#12
This is a bad idea, there shouldnât be a fresh.
And I just stopped at 388/1893.
Before this, there is around the same 35 people discussing between themselves (and also just using alts and even showing off their alts).
You can go on and check it yourself. But again, your fallacy has just been exposed here. Feel free to continue your analysis.
Sure, use more âcommon senseâ
Oh, is that what you use?
I will start spamming every thread on the forum then, dissecting every phrase on every comment and answering them out of context. All this in threads that according to you âdoesnât mean muchâ.
Common sense must have acquired a new meaning in the last 5 minutes.
I will start spamming every thread on the forum then, dissecting every phrase on every comment and answering them out of context. All this in threads that according to you âdoesnât mean muchâ.
I thought you were doing it already.
You are putting a lot of energy into something that doesnât affect you. Or are you worried people will leave your server and hurt the population? Thatâs the only thing that makes sense really.
Oh, is that what you use?
Yes.
I will start spamming every thread on the forum then
Go for it.
dissecting every phrase on every comment and answering them out of context.
Feel free to correct what you feel Iâve âtaken out of contextâ.
All this in threads that according to you âdoesnât mean muchâ.
They mean something. Just not much, when you claim â#1â without understanding the context, that both you and I are just padding the numbers. Even others who disagree with me, like that I come here disagreeing because itâs just padding the numbers.
Youâre welcome, BTW
Common sense must have acquired a new meaning in the last 5 minutes.
Yeah, IK itâs hard to fathom a point of view of somebody who disagrees with you
I thought you were doing it already
Alright, Iâll give you my heart point, thatâs pretty funny
You are putting a lot of energy into something that doesnât affect you. Or are you worried people will leave your server and hurt the population? Thatâs the only thing that makes sense really
Iâve already explained how creating a bunch of redundant NEW Servers does affect not just me but ALL of us. I (personally) donât care how âdeadâ my Server gets. What Iâm most worried about are the effects that come with too many âdeadâ Servers, by the time Perma arrives.
You are putting a lot of energy into something that doesnât affect you.
So are people against boost and against drums.
But lets not talk about me but about the subject - fresh servers, its feasibility and its reality.
Or are you worried people will leave your server and hurt the population? Thatâs the only thing that makes sense really.
Well for once Iâm concerned as people will start opening threads asking for transfer out of dead servers and then blaming blizzard for not taking care of them, because they chose to play in a dead environment.
Instead of âpetition for fresh serversâ it will be âpetition for free transfers out of dead realmsâ.
I mean all I saw with that thread is supportive evidence that every person opposed is smug and uses ad hominem personal insults. Did a single person on that thread not attack the person or assume they were all bad/not 60s? fallacy masters
Alright, Iâll give you my heart point, thatâs pretty funny
Trolls supporting each other, nice!
Trolls supporting each other nice!
Iâm not a Troll. I donât think the other person is, either. I was a little mad and upset, too, that they called me a Troll despite agreeing with them, on their prior point, but I can forgive and move on. After all, one person in here who disagrees with me is still cordial with me. They waved âhelloâ to me, too.
Itâs easier to scream âtrollâ rather than address points, but I digress. Not once have I called any one here, in this thread, that.