right and going thru the dark portal, where even more time will be used simply leveling and attuning. just professions alone will be a huge time sink. no matter how much disposable income you have, you still gotta have the mats and time invested. for example, just the mongoose enchant will be a massive undertaking as you have to rep grind, attune, run various dungeons and quest all over the place, just to get into karazhan and moroes doesnt always drop it.
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Not everyone cares about Professions, though. You got some (not all) that want to reach max level to PvP. You got some (not all) that want to reach max level to Raid. You got some (not all) happy about the 58 Boost (that doesnât hand out Professions, mind you) because they can play Outlands content straight away. Thatâs the majority Iâm talking about. Not everyone wants to start from level 1 and play through old world content, when BC hits. They want straight into Outlands. Not a whole lot care to âfixâ the âbrokenâ economy. They just want to play the content.
i want both, boost and non boost. i plan on boosting a nelf shadow priest. and if we get fresh, leveling a draenei disc priest.
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I want to be very clear that asking for âfreshâ NEW Servers is not the same as asking for the Level 58 Boost feature to be disabled. Those are two different things.
When some (not all) say they want âfreshâ NEW Servers, it doesnât cross my mind that they (also) mean that the Level 58 Boost feature will be disabled.
Because I like the idea of progressing (from Classic, with my Level 60 Charsâ Gold, Gear, Mounts, etc.) into BC without forcing everybody to start over but with no Level 58 Boost feature. And, one can (also) advocate for a âfreshâ NEW Server whilst still having the Level 58 Boost feature enabled. Because a âfreshâ server is a âfreshâ server, no matter what features are available or not.
EDIT: Just like progressing into BC from Classic is the same with or without the Level 58 Boost Feature. The Level 58 Boost feature is not the product of either âfreshâ nor âprogressionâ servers.
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fresh, no transfers no blizz boosts.
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Iâm understanding that there are some (not all) advocating for âfreshâ NEW Servers whilst (also) asking for the Level 58 Boost Feature to be disabled. Again, asking simply for âfreshâ NEW Servers without clarifying that you want to disable the Level 58 Boost feature (as well) doesnât mean that âfreshâ NEW Servers automatically means the Level 58 Boost feature is going to be disabled.
would defeat the point of everyone starting at level 1, if some are gonna boost ahead and ruin the economy before everyone gets there.
Kind of like how some (not all) hate the Dungeon Boosting because of this same reason?
Anyhoot, I donât agree nor disagree with your statement, here. Iâmma let it stand alone because we know Level Boosts exist in MoP, and when a Legacy Mop Server comes out, this argument isnât going to hold well (what you just said). Regardless, a âfreshâ NEW Server MoP or âfreshâ Seasonal Server MoP wouldnât take away the fact that itâs still âfreshâ. Does it go against what you were hoping âfreshâ would âfixâ, sure, but that doesnât mean itâs still not âfreshâ.
Same thing with âfreshâ NEW Server BC with a Level 58 Boost feature. Itâs still âfreshâ regardless of defeating the purpose of everyone starting at Level 1.
EDIT: âFreshâ doesnât mean âno Level 58 Boost Featureâ. Thatâs not what that means. âFreshâ means a âclean stateâ and everyone starts over. HOW they start over, doesnât really matter. You justâŚâstart overâ.
in this case, we are asking for level 1 for everybody, no blizz boosts no transfers
Again:
I still:
With that being said, I would advocate for the Level 58 Boost feature to be disabled even on the non-NEW Servers.
i understood that the first time ya said it. hehe
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So, can we agree that theyâre two different things, or are we going to continue arguing that theyâre the same?
fresh no blizz boosts no transfers means fresh no blizz boosts no transfers. 
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Unless somebody just says âfreshâ NEW Servers without adding in more context than that, than no 
EDIT: Simply stating âI want âfreshâ NEW Serversâ and nothing else doesnât imply that the Level 58 Boost feature is going to be disabled. Which is why you have to be specific with that 
Yes, I never heard of GDKP raids either until Classic and I also played from Vanilla all the way through to Legion. I would imagine that back in âthe dayâ people were actually a bit more timid about openly admitting to violating the ToS because when World of Warcraft came out, they had no idea how laissez-faire Blizzard was going to be with regards to policing and enforcing the ToS on their servers. If any of them had played Guild Wars (where the GMs showed up as a giant avatar of death and just scythed your character to oblivion for violations) or Dark Age of Camelot before they came to World of Warcraft, they would most likely fear the loss of their character and maybe even their account.
Of course, we know now they really had nothing to fear. So much so that these days they can actually brag about their transactions and donât even have to attempt to hide them anymore. I still think this âhands-offâ approach by Blizzard was part of their argument for, âyou think you do, but you donâtâ but that is just a theory.
All I know is that there is a stark difference from back in Vanilla and the original TBC where people went to great lengths to hide their RMT, botting, and other violations of the ToS and WoW Classic where they actually boast about it in chat without fear of any consequences or reprisals. As I have stated before, I really hope that Blizzard has something up their sleeves for TBC. While it was my favorite expansion in WoW, it simply wonât be worth playing for me if I have to resort to buying gold from Chinese companies.
Time will tell. Hoping for better. 
Thanks.
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I honestly dont know how people can genuinely think that allowing Blizzards current plan of transfers wont have a massively negative impact on TBC servers and the success of TBC. The only benefit is that people will be able to more quickly progress into the content they want to do in phase 1 of TBC, thats literally itâŚmeanwhile there will be massive downsides that will completely ruin the integrity of the game and make the game far less âfunâ even for the people who are completely stacked with multiple full t3 characters and 100k gold+resources who are waiting for TBC launch. If you are not one of those people, and youre just coming back to classic or are a new player to it, its going to be a massive unfun grind to try and catch up with those players and I genuinely do not think most of those players will even entertain it and keep playing. Anyone who doesnt think that the fact that the economy will be massively screwed, and that the current rampant botting wont have a terrible impact on TBC are simply delusional.
Im sure there are plenty of others here who have experience with both fresh TBC p servers, and servers that progressed from vanilla>TBC(and these servers DID have restrictions on transfers as far as gold and resources were concerned). Even though those servers had fairly strict restrictions, the economy and game was largely screwed up on those servers that had transfersâŚand mind you that was obviously on a much smaller scale since the player base was a fraction of what you see on current classic servers and the botting+RMT on current classic servers is FAR, FAR more rampant. When you consider the much grander scale of current classic servers, and the rampant botting/RMT ON TOP of there being zero restrictions on transfers you have a recipe for disaster. By phase 2/3 of TBC I severely doubt there will be many players left outside of those who played and farmed throughout the entirety of classic, im sure there will be new/returning people who try it out because they want to play TBC again but I cant see many of them sticking when they realize how much effort and time theyre going to put in, in order to merely ATTEMPT to catch up enough where they can compete with people who started the xpac in full t3+tons of gold/resources, and were farming Kara/PvP from week 1. And thats without even considering the bots that theyll have to compete with too.
If people are telling themselves it will still be fun like the start of Classic was, theyre sorely, sorely mistaken.
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That explains a lot lol. Sorry if you misunderstood I suppose I could have wrote it better.
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Oh donât worry! I misunderstood it, too. I usually start checking the forums before my coffee kicks in, which is probably not a good idea. 
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Most people want fresh for logical reasons like low level dungeons and new raid teams
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Thank you for the very constructive post. You hit excellent points and I am definitely for this. I do believe your final argument about gold sellers being less inclined to go to fresh servers is completely inaccurate though and should be considered for removal. New markets are often the most attractive markets. While it is true that they have investments on existing servers, those servers also have proportional inflation. On a fresh server, a botter can easily outpace the market.
Again, I strongly agree with all other points in the OP.
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