A Formal Request Thread for Fresh/New TBC Servers

[Tricksy-remulos]

What is FNB?

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Horodin-yojamba

I do get what you’re saying

Yay, we finally are getting somewhere!

@Horodin-yojamba

as far as server 1 is concerned, it makes no difference whether I move to an existing server, new server, different xpac, or stop playing all together though

And, I do understand your thought process on this, I just agree to disagree on that notion.

@Horodin-yojamba

every group I’ve seen since resubbing are paid boosting runs, and the fact that nobody really needs to run pugs at this point, and you’ve got an environment where it’s pretty hard to build any sort of attachment to the server or community

I get that feeling, however I have 2 maxed leveled characters. I’m not dedicated to any guild. I’ve been in Ony, MC, ZG and BWL. I don’t care too much for AQ and/or Naxx, right now.

I’ve had no issues Pugging and getting dungeons done all throughout Classic even to this day. The problem I’m seeing is the lack of interest for the leadership role.

I was in Westfall, minding my business, when I see somebody advertise “X LFG Deadmines”. Somebody responded with “I’ll go with you, if you get the group, together.” That didn’t sit well with me. So, I asked “why is it a one person job? Why can’t both of you team up and recruit, together?” I never got an answer, but I digress (sorry, I’m passionate about this and tanjit LOL)

@Horodin-yojamba

If I’d been able to play classic the whole way through it wouldn’t be such an issue but I couldn’t so I’m now in the same boat as all the other returning/new players who aren’t yet a part of anything

Two things:

1. You don’t need validation to stand on your own two feet.
   And
2. It takes work to build bonds. And, those bonds are always there. To this day, I keep making friends LOL

@Horodin-yojamba

On the other hand, if I get a new server and am able to make the connections that keep me playing, the net result for the TBC community is +1.

I hear what you’re saying, and I understand. There is a little bit of push from your end to get that ball rolling. You have a spot/purpose in stagnated realms, it just takes effort and time

Heck, I’ll adopt you, but I keep forgetting I’m “the meanie”

[Michaeas-remulos]

@Tricksy-remulos

What is FNB?

I believe it is “Fresh No Boost.” A new server without the level 58 boost being offered on it.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.

Thanks.

[Ahsana-tichondrius]

If they do make a TBC fresh server and you come across someone named Piper, that’s an insta-block blacklist add

[Horodin-yojamba]

@Piper-shadowsong

I just agree to disagree on that notion.

Struggling to see how this is a matter of opinion tbh…A player is either on a server or they’re not. I can see how you can argue that it’s dividing the population into smaller pockets, but the net result is still the same.

@Piper-shadowsong

I’ve had no issues Pugging and getting dungeons done all throughout Classic even to this day. The problem I’m seeing is the lack of interest for the leadership role.

You having no issues pugging on your server doesn’t mean everyone everywhere has no issues though

I’ve led guilds in every xpac except WoD including Classic for a few months following launch. Leadership isn’t the missing ingredient. Appreciate the sentiment but pushing your way into established communities/guilds is not the same experience as meeting new people on the road while levelling.

[Brona-kirtonos]

Yes please give us a fresh server TBC server. I didn’t play much classic because I was always of the belief that was a museum type server and would always be vanilla only. Because they told us it was a museum I never bothered to put much time in classic, I have been waiting patiently for TBC. New players need new servers.

[Balbazak-kromcrush]

With no boosts.

[Michaeas-remulos]

@Ahsana-tichondrius

If they do make a TBC fresh server and you come across someone named Piper, that’s an insta-block blacklist add

Nice idea, but she is using her Retail character to post and not her Classic one(s?). My guess would be it’s to hide her Classic name to avoid just such a reaction to her trolling.

On the good side, it is adding to the post count.

Thanks.

[Keldryd-sargeras]

Classic has been so corrupt that I won’t be playing unless they address the glaring issues that will carry over if they aren’t removed: 1) A total lack of punitive action for GDKPs, which net players thousands of gold for an hour or so of raiding. 2) Attention to the transfer of thousands and thousands of much ill-gotten gain to TBC, because most players who have in the upwards of 50-100K gold did NOT personally farm that amount outside of GDKPs on mains and alts. They will DOMINATE TBC to an almost disgusting level (insta-mounts, Cenarion rep, first access to Tempest Keep and associated dungeons, jewelcrafting and even MORE GDKP alts!) and 3) More attention to punitive action against botters and gold buyers! This MADE Vanilla and TBC controlled and successful. Most players DID NOT abuse the game, nor wanted to. Instead of some WoW token to make Blizzard money in TBC, prove to the player base that you will reinstate attention via Game Masters and a WARDEN-like program to the bot and gold buying community. I’d be willing to trade all of my gear, etc., for a SECURE TBC environment that combats ill-gotten gain that turn out to be, effectively, cheats.

[Michaeas-remulos]

Ideally, this is something I would like as well. Unfortunately, Blizzard has shown that when it comes to policing its servers that it is unwilling, unable, or both.

The state they have let Classic get to shows just how behind the curve they are in correcting and punishing those who exploit their servers for either personal or monetary gain. It would be wonderful if they could do something and a real boon for the players, but I just don’t see it happening unless they have something up their sleeves for TBC.

One of the reasons I am advocating for a fresh server is to at least give the environment a tabula rasa. I am quite sure the boosters, botters, RMT’ers, and multi-box gold farmers will all still gravitate to those servers, but with no level 58 boost they will at LEAST have to start back at level 1. This might give Blizzard a little chance at catching them before they level too high and cause too much damage, presuming they have the will and capability to do so.

I know the tabula rasa won’t last, but it’s better than the alternative given Blizzard’s track record with the Classic servers.

Thanks.

[Keldryd-sargeras]

So much this. Too much filth in Classic, and the cancer would be copied over. I want a clean TBC, and I know don’t think they do…but would really benefit from a clean wipe. Classic is over. It had many faults, but from its failures comes potential if we start clean.

[Abracastabra-benediction]

There are posts going on of how much gold to have and buy going into TBC.

This is why we need fresh.

[Seraca-stormrage (Seraca)]

@Piper-shadowsong

Then, the wisest move on her part is to cater to the…wait for it…MAJORITY interested in Progression

Go back to Everquest Holly you’re not wanted here.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Ahsana-tichondrius

If they do make a TBC fresh server and you come across someone named Piper, that’s an insta-block blacklist add

Go for it. I’m starting to sense, this might be WHY some (not all) of you are having issues “fitting into” a community. You want to build a community that thinks, walks, talks and acts like you. Instead of accepting the fact, that we’re all different with our own thoughts, opinions and ideas. And just accepting and respecting that. Not lashing out against it. You have your concerns, and I have mine. Instead of working against me, work with me. Is this how you treat people that think differently than you? Cast them aside because “how dare they”?

@Horodin-yojamba

Struggling to see how this is a matter of opinion tbh…A player is either on a server or they’re not. I can see how you can argue that it’s dividing the population into smaller pockets, but the net result is still the same

Agree to disagree. One is leaving the server, the other is spreading the population too thinly. With only 2 Servers, the population isn’t spread too thinly.

@Horodin-yojamba

You having no issues pugging on your server doesn’t mean everyone everywhere has no issues though

Right, but I’ve seen the way players (even on my server) handle getting into dungeons. I’ve had a couple of folks (from my own server) say that it would take them days before getting a group for a dungeon, they’ve wanted to run. This has NEVER happened to me. And, IK what the problem is because THOSE people (yes, they’re a different group, just like NEW Server people and Seasonal Server People) spam LFG instead of LFM.

When I had recruited somebody for SM, they were like “I’ve been looking for a group for days!” I couldn’t understand that. The next day, I see them spamming in Trade “DPS LFG for SM”. I whispered them and said why not just advertise “LFM for SM”? Then, they go “oh, I’m not getting any whispers, so I’m just going to sit here and watch some YT Videos and then ask, again later.”

No wonder it takes THOSE people DAYS to get a Dungeon run, going

I’m not sitting around, I’m hustling! And, my hustles, pay off!

@Horodin-yojamba

I’ve led guilds in every xpac except WoD including Classic for a few months following launch. Leadership isn’t the missing ingredient.

Leadership is the missing ingredient, especially if you want to get a dungeon group going.

@Horodin-yojamba

Appreciate the sentiment but pushing your way into established communities/guilds is not the same experience as meeting new people on the road while levelling

Which is why it’s not a good idea to spread the community so thin across so many servers. It’s best to have minimal servers, to help consolidate the population

@Michaeas-remulos

Nice idea, but she is using her Retail character to post and not her Classic one(s?). My guess would be it’s to hide her Classic name to avoid just such a reaction to her trolling.

1. I like the way my Standard version (of my Classic Character) looks over my Classic version. So, yes, “Piper” (with a funny “i” because “Piper” was already taken) in Classic is still me. Now, watch, other Trolls are going to be creating a bunch of “Pipers”, now, so which am I? Lemme guess, block them all merely because they’re using the name “Piper” just to avoid me? But, those are potential players to have as friends!
   and
2. I’m not posting on this Avatar to “hide” anything. I’ve been very open in which Classic Server I play on. It’s not hard to put two and two, together. I love the TV Show Charmed (original not reboot). Anything Charmed related, is me. I don’t play on PvP Servers only PvE ones. But, I do RP. Figure that out for yourself because it’s not that difficult to figure out what Classic Server (especially Faction) I plan on

@Michaeas-remulos

Thanks

You’re welcome

@Seraca-stormrage

Go back to Everquest Holly you’re not wanted here

Oh, now I’m Holly? LOL

[Lunaseeker-atiesh]

I’ve seen people make the LFM vs LFG argument before so I decided to test it out.

On a tank it took LONGER to find a group. And on a DPS and a healer it took the same amount of time for both.

So, for me, it didn’t make a difference whether I said LFG for (whatever dungeon) or LFM for (whatever dungeon).

[Drooler-grobbulus]

Time of day and server also plays a role.

I’ve had great success with LFM during proper times on Grobbulus.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Lunaseeker-atiesh

I’ve seen people make the LFM vs LFG argument before so I decided to test it out.

On a tank it took LONGER to find a group. And on a DPS and a healer it took the same amount of time for both.

So, for me, it didn’t make a difference whether I said LFG for (whatever dungeon) or LFM for (whatever dungeon)

I (also) advise NOT just spamming in Trade, LFG and the Zone the dungeon is located in. Have the people that you’ve recruited, into your group, to advertise, as well. It’s not a one person job. You’re a team! I fly out into level appropriate zones. For example, wanting to run SM? I spam STV, (a little bit of) Duskwood, Arathi Highlands, Desolace, etc. I’ll even ask low level zones especially starter zones like Teldrassil, Dun Morogh, Elwynn Forest, etc. You never know who’s on an alt

I average about 20 minutes recruiting. There are moments (especially non-peak hours) it can take up to an hour. Just something I’ve accepted as part of recruiting so late/early.

[Drooler-grobbulus]

It’ll be a good idea if they incorporate the LFM dungeon list like they had in BC/Early Wrath.

Groups will form so much faster and will overall be better for community.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Drooler-grobbulus

It’ll be a good idea if they incorporate the LFM dungeon list like they had in BC/Early Wrath

This was something I was asking for, too:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/somechanges-huh/877410
And, you (specifically) mentioned it was something that was already in BC, and I thanked you

@Piper-shadowsong

@Drooler-grobbulus

A version of this did exist

That’s wonderful. Thank you!

See? We’re a lot more alike, than we realize

But, yes. I’m definitely in agreement and totally down with the LFG Listing.

One thing I wanted to say, though. You mentioned early Wrath…I don’t think that’s going to happen. IK and understand Late Wrath was when LFD happened…I think LFD is going to be in Wrath Servers…I really WANT to be wrong on this!

@Drooler-grobbulus

Groups will form so much faster and will overall be better for community.

Agreed…with the LFG Listing

EDIT:

@Drooler-grobbulus

server also plays a role

I’d like to add that I do agree, it’ll be difficult to get “level appropriate” groups, together on PvP Servers. With all that Ganking, I can see why Boosting is a more common thing on those Servers than PvE ones.

With the Booster, they can at least, be your body guard. A “normal” dungeon group? LOL gg

[Drooler-grobbulus]

@Piper-shadowsong

I think LFD is going to be in Wrath Servers…I really WANT to be wrong on this!

They better not. The dev change that brought the instant gratification (LFD) and Cataclysm beyond was the beginning of the end.

They’re going to quickly realize people aren’t going to want to touch ‘Classic Cataclysm’ with a 50 foot pole.