A Formal Request Thread for Fresh/New TBC Servers

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Jarvizz-ashkandi

Trolls are gonna troll.

Jarvizz, Troll Priest

[Michaeas-remulos]

Yeah, I know. I like to at least try to educate people before I have to resort to ignoring them. Some tasks are just too Sisyphean.

Thanks.

[Hadenuff-emerald-dream]

I wonder why you guys are here… I guess to dilute the posts with meaningless nonsense. That must be a form of
Trolling or forum damage control. How much damage control blizzard had to pay for over the years.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Michaeas-remulos

I play on the Oceanic Region. There are currently no “dead” servers in this region even if I wanted to do as you suggest

Depends on what folks consider “dead”. But seeing how some (not all) are suggesting to reroll on a Low Pop and not exactly a “dead” realm (though, you seem to think Low Pop is “dead”, but I digress), I’m looking at the Oceanic Server listing, and it lists one Low Pop realm:

@Michaeas-remulos

In fact we only have ONE PvE server in the region

Correct.

@Michaeas-remulos

So, do I just create my own private/pirate server?

No, it’s suggested to roll on Low Pop Servers, which Oceanic has one. HOWEVER, I share your view, if you just don’t like PvP Servers and seeing how the ONLY Low Pop Server under the Oceanic Server List is a PvP Server, what you’re really asking for is another PvE Server to select from under the Oceanic Server List.

I understand that. Considering, the ONLY Classic RP Server, AT ALL, is US under EST. I’m PST and would like a PST one. NONE of the Oceanics, Latin Americans nor Brazilian Servers have any RP Servers, not even RP-PvP. There are TWO RP-PvP types of Servers: one for EST and another for PST. Ironically, the one on PST is “High Pop”, meanwhile the EST is “Low Pop”. Unfortunately, with the way that PvP Servers work, you cannot create an Alliance Character, if your first character, that you created on that Server is the opposing Faction. This privilege of creating Characters for both Factions is on PvE Type of Servers, only.

I can understand your perspective, slightly, since you do play on Oceanic Realms, and your options are rather slim.

@Michaeas-remulos

that is what I (and many others) are doing.

Your reasons are very much different from what others are hoping for, and why the message gets lost. Sure, the end goal is NEW Servers, but we have to be careful in the TYPE of NEW Servers being applied. It wouldn’t benefit you, if an additional PvP Server gets added onto your Oceanic Server List, and you’re stuck with the same problem of being on the one and only Oceanic PvE Server

@Michaeas-remulos

Thanks

You’re welcome.

@Michaeas-remulos

taking lessons from Piper now and quoting people out of context?

@Thereza-netherwind

You can’t blame me for using your own words against you

EXACTLY!

OMG! I’m responding in accordance to what they are saying, and they keep saying “quoting out of context!”, and it’s like…no, I’m not. Maybe reframe your argument better

@Michaeas-remulos

I like to at least try to educate people before I have to resort to ignoring them

No “education” is happening, when you ignore people, sorry

@Michaeas-remulos

Thanks

You’re welcome!

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

I wonder why you guys are here

To prove a point, obviously

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

I guess to dilute the posts with meaningless nonsense

That is what this thread seems to be good at. You completely ignored a very valid point I made and just throwing out general ad hominems, now. Here, lemme remind you which Post you missed, that you didn’t provide a response to:

@Piper-shadowsong

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

You have one, it exists now I’m confused

I linked my thread talking about this. I’ll link it, again:
Overlooked Possibility (Keyword) That Nobody (Generalization) is Really Talking About
How long do you think Perma Servers will remain CRZ-less, Connected Realm-less, Virtual Realm-less?

I’m still awaiting your response.

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

That must be a form of Trolling or forum damage control

This thread has proved a lot of that, yes.

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

How much damage control blizzard had to pay for over the years

I’m still waiting for my paycheck. Haven’t received it, yet for being the “shill” you’re accusing me of LOL

[Keldryd-sargeras]

Don’t mind Piper. They are a troll who don’t have anything better to do than plague substantive conversations about this game. They certainly do NOT speak for “we,” but they’ll have you thinking so. Just ignore.

[Keldryd-sargeras]

Piper, what is your purpose other than to troll and argue with people? You do nothing substantive but argue, argue, argue. People here are discussing reasons for and against fresh servers, but you do nothing but berate every little comment that you don’t like. No one needs a response after every sentence they type. Are you paid to guard the forums? I’m pretty sure you will actually answer that question. WOW (pun intended) what a life you must have…

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Keldryd-sargeras

Don’t mind Piper. They are a troll

I’m not, but that’s OK. If it makes you feel better to call me that, go for it. It won’t stop me from stating my own opinions.

Which again, I keep saying NEW Servers are happening! Do you get that?

NEW Servers are happening.

They’re just NOT going to be free from the Level 58 Boosts nor Server Transfers, I’m sorry!

@Keldryd-sargeras

They certainly do NOT speak for “we,”

Neither, does anyone else. Again, I’m responding to somebody else’s quotation and correcting them on that.

@Keldryd-sargeras

Just ignore

It’s funny that you say this and then proceed to respond to me LOL

@Keldryd-sargeras

Piper

Yes?

@Keldryd-sargeras

what is your purpose other than to troll and argue with people?

Again, I’m not. My “purpose” is to share my opinions, equally as much as EVERYBODY else. EVERYTIME either of you respond to me, I respond back. It’s THAT simple! It’s not my fault that some (not all) don’t like what I have to say and feel the need, to use your words:

@Keldryd-sargeras

berate every little comment

I did NOT start this!

I’m DEFENDING my position, and we get to this point of where you FEEL (keyword) that I’m the things you’re accusing me of. Perhaps, don’t talk to me, don’t read my comments and move on. Place me on ignore, do whatever you need to do, to make yourself feel better. I’m NEVER changing my mind, on the subject matter.

@Keldryd-sargeras

You do nothing substantive but argue, argue, argue

Correction, defending, defending, defending, etc., my position, on the subject matter, at hand. Not my problem if some (not all) take issue with that.

@Keldryd-sargeras

No one needs a response after every sentence they type

That’s fine, they don’t have to.

@Keldryd-sargeras

Are you paid to guard the forums?

I wish LOL

@Keldryd-sargeras

I’m pretty sure you will actually answer that question

Correct!

@Keldryd-sargeras

WOW (pun intended) what a life you must have…

You may dislike me. You may hate the way I post. But, NONE of this is “discrediting” ANY points I have made. I still would like an answer, to the question I posed earlier:

@Piper-shadowsong

@Hadenuff-emerald-dream

You have one, it exists now I’m confused

I linked my thread talking about this. I’ll link it, again:
Overlooked Possibility (Keyword) That Nobody (Generalization) is Really Talking About
How long do you think Perma Servers will remain CRZ-less, Connected Realm-less, Virtual Realm-less?

Do you honestly think Perma Servers are going to remain CRZ-less, Connected Realm-less, Virtual Realm-less, FOREVER?

That’s the whole reason why I’m here. Because I (personally) believe the more NEW Servers we create, the more it gives Blizz a reason to CRZ, Connect Realm, Virtual Realm, etc., Perma Servers, and I don’t want that. If I can get a DEFINITIVE answer that Perma Servers WON’T be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtualed Realmed, etc., ONLY then, will I agree to creating endless amounts of NEW Servers. Until then, it’s a big NOPE, from me!

Don’t like it, then you don’t like it. Stop responding to me and stop making a false claim that NEW Servers is “harmless”, when I’ve explained MULTIPLE times how its, then I’ll disappear. It’s THAT simple.

[Rooshi-atiesh]

Very well said, you hit the nail on the head for a lot of these people I think.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Rooshi-atiesh

Very well said, you hit the nail on the head for a lot of these people I think

Nah, completely missed the mark.

IDC if people have “more than me” or even play on “dead” servers. I just don’t want Perma Servers to be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc. It’s that simple.

[Rooshi-atiesh]

Nah, you people definitely have a massive interest in not seeing fresh servers. You put so much energy into fighting against it. I don’t expect you to admit the actual reason though.

[Keldryd-sargeras]

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. Hi Piper! I strongly believe you fit the definition of a troll pretty well. We are fighting for fresh servers WITHOUT 200K gold transfers. Completely fresh, level 1. Point me to that server, or don’t. You ARE a troll, by definition. IDC what you say. LOL. I don’t ignore you because the LuLs. Period. You are a joke with your breakdowns of every statement ANYONE makes. Again, hi Piper! You ARE a troll.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Rooshi-atiesh

Nah, you people definitely have a massive interest in not seeing fresh servers

United we stand.
Divided we fall.

Freshers want to isolate themselves into a bubble where they think it will be the socialism of wow (utopia) and they will fall into the reality soon enough, but not before luring good and naive people to their ideology and destroy them along with the “fresh server” they so claim will be the paradise with no bots, no boosts, no cheats, no exploits, no economy abuse, nothing bad.

We just want to strengthen the existing communities and make them thrive through TBC so we can get servers were people can actually play and don’t feel like dead servers, which is exactly what fresher wants: they want more and more dead servers, instead populating them.

[Thereza-netherwind]

@Keldryd-sargeras

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

@Keldryd-sargeras

Hi Piper! I strongly believe you fit the definition of a troll pretty well.

@Keldryd-sargeras

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Did you just assume you’re a troll yourself?

@Keldryd-sargeras

We are fighting for fresh servers WITHOUT 200K gold transfers.

So the argument is that you don’t want people who played the game so far to go into TBC with their gold. You want everyone to start from the scratch, so you can have your shot in being the rich this time. TIP: you won’t.

Also: there is no Transfer to TBC.

@Keldryd-sargeras

You ARE a troll, by definition. IDC what you say. LOL. I don’t ignore you because the LuLs. Period. You are a joke with your breakdowns of every statement ANYONE makes. Again, hi Piper! You ARE a troll.

@Keldryd-sargeras

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

You’re the one being troll here and instead discussing the topic, you’re pointing your fingers and talking about Piper.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Rooshi-atiesh

Nah, you people definitely have a massive interest in not seeing fresh servers. You put so much energy into fighting against it. I don’t expect you to admit the actual reason though

You’re free to believe that, but I have my own reasons against NEW Servers. I don’t want Perma Servers to be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc.

I (personally) wouldn’t mind playing on “dead” servers, if it means Perma Servers won’t be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc. But, see, IK I’m NOT in the “majority” pool, on that one LOL

@Keldryd-sargeras

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

Good thing I’m not intentionally trying to instigate conflict, hostility nor argue on an online community then

@Keldryd-sargeras

Hi Piper! I strongly believe you fit the definition of a troll pretty well

Just because you BELIEVE that I am, doesn’t mean that I am. Please show me where I’m actually instigating conflict, being hostile or just creating arguments, for the sake of it? I’ll wait.

@Keldryd-sargeras

We are fighting for fresh servers

And, I’m fighting against CRZ, Connected Realms, Virtual Realms, etc., which IMO NEW Servers is just adding more reason for Perma Servers to be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc. This cannot be refuted!

@Keldryd-sargeras

You ARE a troll, by definition

No, I am not, by definition. You are, however, performing ad hominems. Instead of focusing on the subject matter, at hand, you’d rather turn the focus onto me, as a person, but I digress.

@Keldryd-sargeras

IDC what you say

That’s OK 'cause everything you’re saying isn’t adding anything into the conversation.

@Keldryd-sargeras

I don’t ignore you because the LuLs

That’s OK, too, but you’re changing the subject and not actually talking about the subject matter, at hand.

@Keldryd-sargeras

You are a joke with your breakdowns of every statement ANYONE makes

So, the people I’m “breaking down every statement they make” is a joke? See, I ACTUALLY read EVERYTHING everyone is saying. It’s important, when having a conversation and trying to make your points STRONGER. Not throw around ad hominems.

@Keldryd-sargeras

Again, hi Piper!

Hello!

@Keldryd-sargeras

You ARE a troll

You’ve said this, already, but IK I’m not. You’re free to project yourself onto me, though.

@Thereza-netherwind

You’re the one being troll here and instead discussing the topic, you’re pointing your fingers and talking about Piper

That’s generally the tactic is ad hominems of a losing argument. Notice how I don’t go there.

[Keldryd-sargeras]

No one is stopping you from having your cut of the cake, non-“freshie.” I just feel that things such as 200K gold transfers and boosts strongly dilute the experience so many of us are dying to have (as closely as possible). Will there be issues? Yes, but bots, RMTs and GDKP-fed mega-millionaires will be forced to catch up, and after all of this… I truly believe the majority of the community will be strongly proactive in eliminating cancerous forms of gameplay that have murdered Classic in the end, and we will be communicating that with Activision. “United we stand, Divided we fall” is a good adage, but some of us are able to see the train wreck of a game TBC “Classic” will be for us with the coming tide of pre-established bots, RMT and hundreds and thousands of GDKPs. I, personally, can see some major, glaring issues on the horizon (other than pay-to-play and drums), and I will not play if they are permitted to transfer over like a cancer.

[Rimbook-destromath]

I would like to see fresh servers for TBC.

At this point, it doesn’t appear we are getting them, though. To me, that’s a shame.

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Keldryd-sargeras

No one is stopping you from having your cut of the cake, non-“freshie.” I just feel that things such as 200K gold transfers and boosts strongly dilute the experience so many of us are dying to have (as closely as possible). Will there be issues? Yes, but bots, RMTs and GDKP-fed mega-millionaires will be forced to catch up, and after all of this… I truly believe the majority of the community will be strongly proactive in eliminating cancerous forms of gameplay that have murdered Classic in the end, and we will be communicating that with Activision. “United we stand, Divided we fall” is a good adage, but some of us are able to see the train wreck of a game TBC “Classic” will be for us with the coming tide of pre-established bots, RMT and hundreds and thousands of GDKPs. I, personally, can see some major, glaring issues on the horizon (other than pay-to-play and drums), and I will not play if they are permitted to transfer over like a cancer

And, I understand your points, I really, really, REALLY do. But, please, INSTEAD of throwing out ad hominems, please focus on the point I made regarding Perma Servers and CRZ/Connected Realms/Virtual Realms.

Can we (at the very least) agree to the point that creating NEW Servers is just adding more reason to turn on CRZ/Connected Realms/Virtual Realms for Perma Servers? Can we (at least) agree on SOMETHING?

Again, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t turn on CRZ/Connected Realms/Virtual Realms for Perma and just let them continue rotting into “dead” server territory and create endless amounts of NEW Servers, after NEW Servers, after NEW Servers, at the request of you lot. But, I don’t trust Blizz to NOT turn on CRZ/Connected Realms/Virtual Realms for Perma Servers.

@Rimbook-destromath

I would like to see fresh servers for TBC.

At this point, it doesn’t appear we are getting them, though. To me, that’s a shame

There’s going to be NEW Servers.

Unfortunately, those Servers will NOT turn off the Level the 58 Boost Feature nor Server Transfers.

[Rimbook-destromath]

Was there a blue post about this? Did I miss the announcement or something? (genuinely curious)

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Rimbook-destromath

Was there a blue post about this? Did I miss the announcement or something (genuinely curious)

No announcement. Just my personal opinion (despite being against NEW Servers).

[Keldryd-sargeras]

@Piper-shadowsong

Good thing I’m not intentionally trying to instigate conflict, hostility nor argue on an online community then

Oh. So you are doing so unintentionally? Can’t argue with someone who constantly wants to instigate conflict. If you have substantive reasons to continue on this thread for “A Formal Request Thread for Fresh/New TBC Servers,” please state your cause and reason. But wait, you already have, all over the forums. Over and over. So, yes, you are a troll, by very definition. And that is putting it simply. If you want to stop being a troll, discontinue by not dissecting every sentence of every comment someone you don’t agree with types. You said “NEW Servers are happening.” Another attribute of you, a troll, is someone who deliberately strikes argument over a definition. You know full well we all know about new servers. We want FRESH servers. Would you like us to take your hand and walk the troll through the garden and teach you what EXACTLY we mean for the hundredth time? LOL.