A Formal Request Thread for Fresh/New TBC Servers

[Piper-shadowsong]

@Soada-westfall

If you think so many people will leave their current servers to play on a fresh one that it will leave their server dead, then you need to acknowledge this is a damn popular idea

Guaranteed that’s not what I said.

What I’m saying is all these “dead” (even though, I don’t think they’re “dead” but some, not all, do) servers are going into BC. What you’re asking for is another EXTRA Server (and possibly more, since not everyone enjoys PvP, PvE, RP or even RP-PvP), to become “dead” later on, by the time Perma BC arrives. Just like we all know that Perma Classic will be “dead”.

Classic was “popular” in the beginning. That “fresh” appeal appeared and left, as the Servers began to “stale out”, now that “popularity” isn’t there, anymore. IK for a fact that “popularity” will return on those “dead” servers when BC releases. That isn’t the problem.

The problem is when BC becomes Perma. I don’t think it’s “crazy” to request NOT to create extra Servers just to clog up the Perma List, AFTER you (general you, not “you” in particular) lot have your “fresh” fix and ABANDON the Perma Servers to move onto the next “fresh” thing. Screwing over the Perma Server Players and not caring at all about the experience, they’re looking for.

@Soada-westfall

Blizzard needs to figure out the dead server thing

And, I think they have, when they said they’re NOT doing “fresh” (at this time) because they probably see what I’m saying.

Which is why I keep saying:

@Piper-shadowsong

Seasonal Servers for any Era type of WoW while simultaneously having Perma ones, alongside. Upon the Seasonal Servers self-deleting themselves, there should be a paid service to save/archive said Seasonal Server Characters onto the Perma Servers, of their respective Era Types. Otherwise, when the Seasonal Servers self-delete, all the characters that didn’t get saved/archived, through the paid services, over onto the Perma Servers will go POOF. They’ll NEVER return, even when the new Seasonal Server begins, and I do hope more Seasonal Servers make their way, with breaks in between, to keep that excitement, flare, hype, etc., going. No to NEW Servers that will never self-delete and just clogging up the Perma Server Listing.

I will NEVER support NEW Servers, EVER.

@Lockpat-mankrik

Easy, cross-realm RDF and LFR Dead server problem solved

Nope, that’s just adding in QoL Features. I would much prefer Server Merges than just Server Names slapped upon our Names.

@Arindel-farstriders

Who is we?

I was correcting the person’s quotation, since they used the word “we”.

@Arindel-farstriders

Do you work for the company

Do you?

@Arindel-farstriders

I’ll tell you what’s crazy
Expecting players to start on a dead server with the current rule set. Expecting them to prove to you that there are enough players to warrant fresh servers, by starting over again

First of all, I don’t “expect” anything from the NEW Server crowd. IMO, I think y’all are too lazy to “fix” your own problems and asking Big Daddy Blizz to make the boo boo, go away.

Second of all, there’s nothing “crazy” to ask you lot to herd players sharing your same interest to re-roll on a Low Pop Server which is less infested with Bots than the High Pop Servers. You can’t have both. If “fresh” is as “popular” as you claim it is, than the Bots will follow. They have a market to cater to, and it’s the Servers with the “higher” population of folks.

Third of all, it’s not going to “warrant”, anything. I already know (like I said) NEW Servers are coming. They’re just NOT going to come out in the EXACT detail you’re hoping for via no Level 58 Boost Feature and Server Transfers. That’s NOT going to happen! Something ELSE needs to happen in order for the Level 58 Boost Feature to not be a thing, and that’s to not play BC, as they come out, in order for Blizz to “get the picture” and “reverse” the change.

It’s NOT going to happen with a simple re-roll project or even NEW Servers WITH a Level 58 Boost Feature and Server Transfers onto it. There needs to be a MUCH more unified community, in order to make that not happen. And, that’s NOT going to happen, either.

@Arindel-farstriders

Talk about jumping through hoops. The hoops in retail aren’t even this nutty

If you’re passionate about it, enough, you’d be willing to do so. Seeing as how you’re not (which coincides with what I said earlier about calling you lot “lazy”), doesn’t really surprise me.

@Arindel-farstriders

Justifying your stance by insinuating that you are protecting Activision’s better interests

I’m not “protecting” Activision’s “better interests”. Like you, I would’ve preferred that BC was completely “fresh” with ZERO ties to Classic whatsoever. It would’ve dissolved this issue of “fresh” vs “non-fresh”, AND there would be NO Level 58 Boost Feature needed! But, that’s NOT the route Blizz decided to go with. So, now we have this wonderful mess!

@Arindel-farstriders

or you are saving these players from disappointment

I am doing this. You (and I do mean you, specifically, along with “the others”) refuse to listen.

Will there be NEW Servers?
Yes.

Will these NEW Servers have the Level 58 Boost Feature?
Yes.

Will these NEW Servers be able to be transferred onto?
Yes.

You’re asking for THREE different things! Not ALL three of them are going to be check-marked. THAT’S what you’re not understanding.

@Arindel-farstriders

Really, if there were such servers, how would that negatively affect you?

I’ve explained this, SO many times! Extra Servers (despite me knowing that they’re coming, regardless) is damaging to Perma Servers.

@Arindel-farstriders

And populating the perma servers is not even close to an answer

It is an answer. Just because you don’t like that answer, doesn’t mean it’s not an answer.

And, it’s not really about “populating” them, per se. It’s about not having SO MANY extra servers, by the time Perma hits/arrives. It’s a very simple answer, whether you like it or not.

@Arindel-farstriders

The players asking for fresh want to level with the new races and play in BC

And, you will.

First of all, the New Races cannot even be Boosted. And, we are playing BC “fresh” or no “fresh”.

Second of all, IK for a FACT they’re going to provide NEW Servers (regardless, if I want them or not). But, don’t be upset, when you find out that the Level 58 Boost Feature will still be available, along with Server Transfers. Only thing that is “somewhat” “reset” on these NEW Servers will be the economy. And, maybe some “newer” community.

@Michaeas-remulos

Yes, unfortunately there are quite a few “unauthorized-unofficial-Blizzard” representatives on the forums

I don’t classify myself as “representing” for Blizzard LOL

@Michaeas-remulos

I often wonder if they get paid to represent the company and its views or do they get some other perks in-game?

Interesting theory.

I’m still waiting for my paycheck for having the opinions, that I do LOL

And, I (certainly) don’t have any in-game privileges. I never received a BC Beta invite. My max gold is 2kg (and IK more players have WAY more than I do), and the only “specialty” Pets or Mounts that I have is the Green Dragon Whelping (supposedly). It was a Birthday Gift, from a frien, in-game. I hosted a Birthday Party, in-game, for fun, and my friends are awesome and gave me some in-game items as “birthday presents”. So, am I guilty for having friends or creative to host a birthday party in game?

Otherwise, I’m not Raid Geared, really. ZG is the extent of my Raiding. Definitely WAY more players outgear me.

@Michaeas-remulos

Thanks.

You’re welcome!

@Gorrith-incendius

You and I have spoke ad nauseam about the prospect of fresh servers

Yes, we have.

@Gorrith-incendius

I have to chime in here

Sure.

@Gorrith-incendius

Saying we cannot have new servers because it puts too many servers on the perma listing (for fear of creating more dead servers, or killing off the dying ones) is a poor reason to thwart new servers and a failure in an effort to preserve the existing ones.

Disagree with that. NOBODY has explained why my reasonings ar “poor” or a “failure” in preserving the existing ones. Y’all are just saying that and NOT explaining it!

@Gorrith-incendius

Fact is, this is a 16 year old game now. Whether or not there are new servers - World of Warcraft will have a decline in popularity over time. Many people returned for the nostalgia, many returned for the core elements, many returned for the social aspect, and many new players arrived to learn what all the fuss was about - but the game itself is not ground-breaking, new, or “fresh.” The decline is an inevitability.

Agreed, so I don’t understand why we need “fresh”.

@Gorrith-incendius

Trying to protect older servers like this, especially with a potential influx of new players flooding in with the new expansion is only going to hurt the classic project as a whole.

I disagree. Blizz’s solution to overpopulation on certain Servers is Layering.

@Gorrith-incendius

If it is crippled too much, eventually it will not be worth the investment to keep it going. Granted, we are a long way from that point because there are still around half a million players actively logging in via US and EU servers alone daily (or more, that was just a recent metric I happened to see). But the bots already do a number on the game. The age and lack of interesting new content unfortunately do as well. We do not need players crafting artificial constructs intended to support old servers and their playerbase but acting as a deterrent for new players

It’s not a “deterrent”. Hello? They have the Level Boost for this VERY reason! Remember, I started in BC and had no Level Boost. Blizz has done pretty well in trying to provide “catch up” mechanics for all New Players. NEW Servers isn’t that solution.

@Gorrith-incendius

An unfortunate reality is:
Some servers are going to have to merge, or at least link&sync within the clouds. It may or may not come with server names attached behind player names (but I would advise blizzard to create an interface allowing us to turn this off because it would be very annoying and distracting to some - especially those on an RP realm).

Yes, IK this. I’m encouraging Server Merges! BUT, is that something Blizz is going to do? That’s the REAL question! 'Cause they’ve NEVER done that. They usually do their CRZ, Connected Realm/Virtual Realm nonsense and not actually merge, anything.

What makes Classic, great for me, is that there’s no open world (not counting BGs) CRZ, Connected Realms, Virtual Realms, etc. As one who doesn’t even PvP, the PvE portion IS affected by CRZ, Connected Realms, Virtuals Realms, etc. Server Identity will become lost, and I don’t want that! I much prefer Server Merges without the Server Names slapped onto next to our names and just creating resentment towards “those Servers” that don’t share the same Server name, as you do.

@Gorrith-incendius

I assume Blizzard will wait until the launch of TBC before consolidating existing servers

Correct, but what do you mean by “consolidating”? I’m not going to assume “server merges”. I’m assuming CRZ, Connected Realms, Virtual Realms, etc.

@Gorrith-incendius

Afterall, they may expect the problem to resolve itself - at least in the case of some of the dying (but not dead) servers. New influx of players may help some of them.

Mhmm which is another reason we shouldn’t have such an influx of Servers.

@Gorrith-incendius

I am not a huge fan of the aforementioned resolution, but as a player on a pvp server (the type that has the greatest disparity between opposing faction percentages) I would welcome the change if it were implemented in a way to balance factions more accordingly

You keep saying this, but I really don’t understand it, and don’t think we should add NEW Servers to appease the PvP Server hype. That’s just one target demographic.

@Gorrith-incendius

As callous as it sounds, it is not the player problem

IK it’s not, but it should be because this includes ALL of us!

@Gorrith-incendius

It is a company problem

Pretty much everything in this game is the company’s problem. That’s not the argument.

The argument is how much do people really care about Perma Servers? So far, seems like nobody which is a shame. I want some FORESIGHT! I want to discuss what Perma means to everybody, first BEFORE we discuss the Reactive. Let’s be PROACTIVE!

@Gorrith-incendius

That does not make your earnest interest any less genuine. If anything it reflects well on you and your desire to help that which you are so very passionate about.

I am passionate about this, and it’s never going to stop.

@Gorrith-incendius

I will say, if it is any consolation to you - being that you are in a healthy, populated, one-of-a-kind server - you are probably the least likely to be directly impacted by new servers or Blizzards attempts to consolidate old ones

I disagree with that because they didn’t have RP and RP-PvP Servers, BEFORE. As this thread keeps reminding me. They could very easily just say “OK, no more RP!” And just classify us as PvE and PvP Servers and stick us with the other Servers.

@Soada-westfall

Or merged servers or linked servers or

I prefer ACTUAL Server Merges (which is something, historically, they’ve NEVER done) and NOT Linked Servers (via their CRZ nonsense, Connected Realms, Virtual Realms, etc).

See, this is how IK people aren’t reading everything I’m ACTUALLY saying. Not only am I against NEW Servers, I’m against CRZ, Connected Realms, Virtual Realms, etc. Classic (so far) doesn’t have that, right now. I like playing the game this way, and I don’t want Permas to become CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc., and we’re basically running around with our Server Names attached to our Names and Server Identity is gone!

I made a Post talking about this and linked it, already, in this thread, but I’ll do it, again:

Overlooked Possibility (Keyword) That Nobody (Generalization) is Really Talking About

TL;DR - The Perma Classic Servers may be (key phrase) Connected Realms (ish). Proof below. Preface With the introduction of BC, and Blizz scrambling to find ways to appease a plethora of audience, one thing I noticed and/or heard was the possibility (keyword) of the Perma Classic Servers being “Connected Realms” (ish). How did I come to this conclusion? One of the questions (during the Q&A) was asking about how names were going to be saved for both the BC and Classic Servers. Granted, the …

My position on this subject has been consistent. You’re NEVER going to change my mind, unless you can (somehow) promise that Perma Servers will NOT be CRZ’d, Connected Realmed, Virtual Realmed, etc. Until then, I will NEVER support NEW Servers!