You know what else is a good suggestion? That unholy zombie wounds build you showcased with night fae & defile / shambler.
Easily the most fun I’ve had this expac as unholy, good to see shambler getting a little action ty for bringing attention to it!
RP has value in giving runes back and if you overcap you thats a lot of potential runes that you are missing out on, and missing damage.
Exactly, but it does happen. So whats the difference here in KM 2 stack which the scenario doesnt happen often even though it is inevitable that it will happen to every player at some point, more with DW, and the scenario I said with runes? They both dont happen often so why is one a need and the other isnt worth looking at? I dont think either is worth Blizzards time is my point.
Things are over inflated at the moment and changes to classes shouldnt be made because of certain systems and inflated stats that are going away. It would be completely different if it was happening frequently from the very beginning, but it hasnt. The issue has only came up with the 4pc, that should tell everyone that its not a fundamental issue with the spec.
Wait? Shambler is good now? :OOOOO
I should try this!
2h does have double runeforge even before the 4pc. MotFW could have given 2h RI, we know they can do that from Torghast, but people didnt want it. They wanted giga Obliterate damage because 2h weapon go boom. I even went into crit mechanics way back prior to beta which puts DW slightly ahead of 2h as well and it also makes DW better in terms of Icecap.
But then you get people like the garbage human that is Akatsuki who wants to shut down conversation and create an echo chamber so that only things they agree with are suggested. They call people trolls or “you dont play the game” though its sad that someone who “doesnt play the game” can and does come up with suggestions that would absolutely fix issues that people have while they sit there and do absolutely nothing.
See how useless of a post that is. It doesnt actually do anything but make them look like a sour jaded loser.
Nothing you do or say would fix the game, it’s just you being a garbage contrarian trying to pass off what you say as “knowledge”. You completely missed the OP’s point in the initial first half of the thread and went on a tangent about something he wasn’t even talking about. You do this too with Biceps when he posts here, just arguing for the sake of arguing, even after you’ve been showed you’re wrong.
Gtfo here.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. What a loser, you come in here acting like this white knight stirring the pot even more than it was stirred. Is asking for clarification stirring the pot? If me just asking simple questions throws you losers into a frenzy of rage, then you are the ones that need to leave. Im not going anywhere, you have done 0 to help the game at all. Both of your posts in here are just garbage posts from the filth that you are.
Not helping and insults.
Not helping and nothing but insults.
You are a loser.
You have 6700 posts almost and I’m wagering 90% of those are you popping into threads being a contrarian and arguing with people who are more knowledgeable about the class than you.
Also, you have never shown any experience with the class at all. No M+, no raiding, no pvp xp. Nothing.
You’ve argued with Bicepspump and argued with Flarkness, both of whom are theorycrafters at their respective content, and you keep arguing with people that actually have experience doing stuff.
You’re malding and calling people losers because it makes you mad being so trash at the game, and because no one likes you in these forums.
Assumptions and admittance that you did not look into anything. So baseless statement.
Stating facts is not being a contrarian. Stating that DW is superior in all aspects as far as Frost is concerned is true. Backed by those “more knowledgeable” than him and through logs from actual game play.
Being right is not the same as being a contrarian.
And he’s caught them slipping and proven them wrong. Even the most respectable people can make mistakes in their given fields. It’s called being human.
Because you are. You’re literally insulting him and claiming he’s doing exactly what you’re doing. You called yourself out.
It’s always fun when people play themselves.
I’ve seen him on these forums for 4-5 years doing the exact same thing, in every thread. You’re some rando who just wandered in here oddly enough parroting the exact same garbage he is. Weird.
Opinions=/=facts. Neither you nor Kelliste has ever linked any logs or anything proving your points, neither one of you has argued anything resembling facts. One of you is a dk in world quest gear, and the other is a feral druid. Neither knows anything about dk.
Also, Biceps and F lark and others have never readily agreed with him on, well, anything.
When? Provide examples. Another instance of
I’m a better player than he’ll ever be. Not a loser, sorry. Also, weird how you two are the only ones with differing opinions in this thread, you also are both parroting the same idiotic opinions and touting them as facts. Almost makes me think you’re the same person.
Wait, am I trash at the game or do I not play it? Both cant be true.
Flarkness? The only thing I remember talking to them about is why 2h was removed in the first place. I dont know why this elite person that you hold in such high regards thinks 2h had to be removed when you are forced to use a weapon. There would be 0 reason to remove something if the weapon does that very thing. Biceps also tried to say 2h was removed because of the artifact weapons ignoring that frost was competing with a protection talent at the bottom of the rankings, and its not like it was 5% behind the top it was 20-40% behind the top in either raid tier because the spec was split and they didnt want to touch it because it was a nightmare to balance.
Just like now they havent touched frost at all in terms of balance other than a few things in beta. All through live outside of pvp stuff they havent touched frost. It could be because its performing well, or it could be that BoS is carrying its weight and they dont want to touch anything else about the spec because they cant actually touch it without a lot of extra tuning.
You continue to run with the same BS argument
got anything new? That hasnt shut me up in how long? You must be insane if you think its going to do anything in this thread compared to any other.
Your just a loser, you have no worth at all. Not to mention some of these “vets” or experienced players in here agree with me that it doesnt happen that often, and I say that does not warrant a change.
How about you go out and get some ice cream with sprinkles and let more adult people have a conversation.
Another useless post. Why are you in here exactly other than to derail the thread? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand and you are just whining like a 4 year old who was told no.
I highly recommend giving it a try on fort weeks, got my 291 shambler after seeing Biceps put it to work and when combined with the wounds build with defile and deaths due, I’ve frequently been getting 20k dps on pack to pack, with bursts and good shambler procs going up to nearly 60k like a few pulls in De Other Side and my DK is only at 260 atm without 4pce, it’s a ton of fun tbh
I imagine Frenzied will still be better on tyrannical weeks though
DW > 2h. It’s shown in the logs. It’s discussed and proven in discord. And logs have been shown, or referenced and found to back this up. Doesn’t have to be in this thread as this does not pertain to any of that. Sorry, but the numbers aren’t opinions. DW is putting up better numbers. Is what it is. Even if it’s by 1 damage, DW > 2H is true.
Doesn’t really matter.
For someone who claims:
you really don’t follow him or what he posts, otherwise you’d know exactly to what I’m referring to. Go do a little more stalking and find out.
Self-appointed better player eh?
Had nothing to do with your game play, which just proves the fact. It’s all the attitude of coming, attacking some one for no reason, adding nothing to the discussion, and again, proclaiming your elitist abilities (rather questionable) and derailing a thread.
BoS is ahead in the logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#class=DeathKnight&spec=Frost.
People are using DD and Rage of the Frozen Champyen. KM stacking twice would be enough to make it slightly more competitive against BoS. Since DW naturally scales better, of course it would be ahead of 2h. It is what it is.
I’m seeing logs about Rune of Hysteria as Frost. That’s very interesting.
Fallen Crusader + Hysteria is meta with 4p
Makes sense!
… That’s a lot of RP…
It’s mainly due to the 4-set heavily reducing the value of Razorice and Hysteria is the next best option.
Would you say Obliteration would be slightly ahead if KM does stack up twice?
2h or DW?
Problem being, the KM stacks would also apply to BoS as well. KM isn’t an Oblit only passive. But a spec passive altogether.
Hard to say at this point. Still think Obliteration can be better but the meta says otherwise currently. Double-stacking oblits would be huge I think, lots more KM’s in the window.
You’re far more unlikely to overlap KM procs with BoS compared to Obliteration. The force-generated KMs are completely independent of the natural ones. This can be compared to natural KM procs that tend to not occur close to eachother.