I dunno man, I guess that LFR / Heroic Dungeon meta is different from what the rest of us have to deal with
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Im not a damn idiot. Yes, there are mechanics where you have to run out, its random of who gets it, its not random to when it happens. If you cant squeeze in a 12 second buff in the right places you are playing wrong. Period.
You are a damn idiot and it clearly shows when you say things like âits not random when it happens if you cant squeeze in a 12s buff at the right time youre playing wrongâ
Every guild that does high end raiding pops their cooldowns at the start of the pull unless a boss has a very specific mechanic that makes it better to hold cooldowns which isnt often, And you do this to optimize your damage throughout a several minute fight. Its just an accepted reality that if you get a mechanic during this time its an unlucky pull for you and your parse is dead.
And thats just a single example, this happens in high end keys as well when youre pushing time and cant afford to not press cooldowns throughout a long fight, or in pvp when youre trying to setup a proper opener, but the enemy usually always has a way to respond and stop your damage from occuring
You would understand this if you played the game but you dont and you act like an ape on the forums like you know what youre talking about
I swear you arent serious when you do this i believe in my heart youre just a troll who revels in this kinda thing, because if thats not the case you have got to be the most ignorant person i ever had the displeasure of meeting, You are actually worse than mortalx
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You are a piece of human garbage that doesnt know how to communicate with others and failed recess. Ive just reported you because holy hell are you one of the most scummy people on here.
lol go ahead not like i care about a forum ban. I know how to communicate with others but with you specifically i choose to communicate with you in a way that expresses what everyone feels internally when they talk to you
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How do you know how other people feel? You dont, its a baseless assumption and no, you dont know how to communicate with others. Its just insults and talking over people acting like you know everything in the world.
What the hell does popping all CDâs at the beginning of a fight refute anything I said about mechanics not being random? Some fights you dont pop things right off the bat, some you do, because of the mechanics of the fight. If mechanics were just random then things like DBM would have never been a thing to let people know when something is going to happen. How do these top raiders know something is going to happen in 15 seconds? Oh thats right BECAUSE ITS NOT RANDOM. Things are usually on a timer, or % health based. We dont want to go into the next phase yet so slow down on DPS, this is thing that might have you going to run to red marker is happening in 20 seconds.
A good player makes use of this knowledge so a 2 stack isnt needed at all and you dont have to run out during an Obliteration window wasting valuable buff uptime. Its a 12 second buff, if you have trouble working that in thats a you problem and not a spec problem. Its funny how you always come up with another excuse as to why something should happen for the spec which its not needed what so ever. âOh this is needed if this one specific scenario happens because I used PoF with Obliteration at the wrong time instead of waiting 5 seconds for this mechanic to be over. Oh no blizzard hold my hand I used PoF when I have to run away from Hungering I should be able to use Howling Blast to stack up KM procs so when I go back in I can chain a bunch of Obliterates together.â Or you can just use it prior to or after that mechanic.
People like you are the actual ones that derail threads through insults and accusations that lack any and all foundation.
Learn to interact with others and maybe, just maybe, you can be a better human being.
Ive personally talked to some of the other dks in these forums, and other dks who had the displeasure of talking to you in the past, youre a meme bro and not a good one either
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Can confirm dealing with kelliste has been painful at best in most interactions. My biggest issue with them is that they know the tool tips inside out but lack the experience to understand how things play out in context of competitive play and refuse to acknowledge there might be something they are either wrong about or just donât know about. It shows true intelligence to admit when you are wrong or when there is something you donât know about. But they seem pretty hell bent on thinking they know better than everyone all the time about everything. No room for compromise or discussion.
Also they are confidently incorrect about using CDs in competitive play. If there is a mechanic that is 100% going to happen, you would hold CDs. If itâs a mechanic that randomly selected 2-3 people out of 20 then you always roll the dice. Fitting in an extra round of CDs over the course of the fight is too valuable, also you risk your CDs going out of sync with the rest of the fights mechanics since a lot of them revolve around 1 or 2 min intervals. Iâm sure there is more nuance for specific fights, but that is general rule of thumb.
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Thats what? 3 other people probably that change arguments and have piss poor reading comprehension and like you cant actually get across what you are meaning to say?
Blizzard disagrees with you guys.
But yet again you have not actually made any compelling argument against what I said. Tofu even said to HOLD YOUR DAMN CD. If you are that worried about losing out on 1 KM Obliterate then hold onto your damn CD and quit crying. Seriously.
If its a roll of the dice that you might have to run out, and you use Pillar, and then you have to run out, thats the risk vs reward. You took the gamble, and you lost, get over it.
I have never seen so many people complain about the most pointless things ever before. KM rank 2 is entirely pointless.
And no.
Thats bs and also a fallacy to shut down conversation. The basics of DPS hasnt change in basically EVER. Not everything is going to work out absolutely perfect, things are going to happen that make you lose out on something. You guys however act like fights are designed to specifically target DKâs and punish them and thats not the case.
If KM procs are so important, hold your CD until you can actually get them out. If you have that much of a hard on for 2h Obliterates, then hold your CD. No matter what. People starting the fight with popping everything doesnt change anything. In fact thats really the only time people are seeing this overlap, ive looked at 2h logs and it barely happens outside of this mega buffed window. For DW Obliteration players its just an explosion of KM procs, but for some reason not a single one of them is in here saying âim having too many KM procs it needs to stack twice.â It doesnt happen much for 2h, at all. The swing timer is so long that it only has the possibility of happening like 3 times baseline during a PoF window. Though all that haste and attack speed might push it up to 4-5. But DW is in a whole different ballgame.
I just find it strange that a bunch of people that âplay the gameâ cant actually realize what the cause is. Oh it happened in BFA!.. with inflated stats and DW only. It happened in Legion!.. with DW only and borrowed power.
I mean be serious, we are in a time in the game where prot warriors can 1 shot people with shield slam, making any suggestions about the game going forward using now as a reason why is just stupid.
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⊠and then there is Urh that will encourage you to spend your CD anyway. 
I love Obliterate cleaving with Obliteration. I do have a fixed rotation of it. I really should get Haste though to squeeze in more globals during its burst period.
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I dont think i ever met someone with such a smooth brain in my entire life. I cant help but to just mock and insult you because of how dense you are.
Multiple people have thoroughly explained why you are incorrect, multiple times throughout the post, using their own in game experiences from several years to back it up. And yet you STILL dont get it and STILL swear you are right.
âbut for some reason not a single one of them is in here saying im having too many km procs it needs to stack twiceâ
Bro can you read??? You are an ape what do you think this forum is about LOOOOOOOOOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I think im gonna just start recording every killing machine overlap i get and spam posting them vod by vod in this forum and i will happily necro this thread patch by patch with these vods to show you this occurs even before stats become inflated as i have tried explaining to you over and over from my own experience actually playing this game, something you do not have you LFR hero
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Says the person who said that when you use Frost Strike or Howling Blast rotationally that you are fishing for procs.
Record them without the tier set, without ERW and without hero/lust.
And since you have a hard time actually quoting context, there is the proper context added.
The logs show that 2h Obliteration doesnt have many of these double procs going on, especially outside of these ERW/Lust windows and even with the window it doesnt happen much with 2h and you arent even playing Frost so what do you care?
Oh, and looking back at early SL at 2h obliteration logs, doesnt look like there were any of these double procs going on and if there were IT WAS WITH LUST AND ERW.
It is hard to win an argument with a smart person. It is impossible to win an argument with a dumb person.
I donât think anyone has ever said they were smartâŠ
The best thing to do is block them and move on. They donât play the game. They just come to this forum to troll for attention. They will literally argue anything. Itâs sad and pathetic but sadly they donât get perma banned.
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I just wish i could ban the ape from commenting on my forum, if there was that sort of ability im sure they wouldnt be able to put their garbage opinions on nearly any dk forum
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Its not your forum, its Blizzards forum. And you wanted to call me smooth brain and you are this bad with words?
Youâre right, itâs Blizzardâs forum⊠that youâre causing unrest. Thatâs against ToS btw.
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No, a disagreement that people flip their lids over and starts calling people names is not against the ToS.
Where did I call anyone a monkey, ape or rat? Oh that was Chillpills and other people. They caused this situation over a simple question that you dont want to acknowledge.
I literally asked him what he meant because rotationally we do not fish for procs with Frost Strike and Howling Blast and he started with all the name calling. Hes causing this situation and im tired of people like you that were so against this âblizzard frat boyâ situation at blizzard wondering if you should quit the game over it and defending this persons actions.
He could have just clarified his statement could he not? Back in CN this issue wasnt happening, do you know why? No 2pc increasing stats artificially, no Icy Talons use, stats were low as well. I just picked a 2h Obliteration log at random and it showed no signs of happening. KM uptime was only about 15% back then and its double now. Another piece of evidence that this wasnt happening IS THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW BAD FROST WAS. Everyone was, where was the âKM procs too muchâ threads? They didnt exist, in fact people were saying it doesnt proc enough.
It cant be both, you cant have it to where it doesnt proc enough but still need 2 KM procs because it procs oh so much.
Shall we pick a 2h Obliteration log from now at random and look at the windows that arent paired with ERW and Lust? Its not worth looking through Guardian because its over 300 logs before an Obliteration log shows up. Fallen Oracle is 100% BoS, Xyâmox says 100% BoS as well, Prototype Pantheon says 100% BoS⊠im sure there might be a couple of Obliteration logs but im not going to try to find them on those fights. Halondrus is the first fight with any meaningful number of Obliteration logs at 13%.
The 2h Obliteration log that I found doesnt have this occuring much at all and those happen with PoF + ERW pairs. With just PoF alone its a non-issue. Thats why Chillpills had to go with another scenario of if you have to run out due to mechanics you can double HB to stack KM twice, otherwise there is no reason what so ever to actually do this.
Should I just put on a 2h with the 4pc hit PoF and see how many times I am able to get double procs within that window? Its its 0-1 on most occasions will people stop with all this crap?
Oh, and maybe you should link all the times that Chillpills called me an idiot, monkey, ape, smooth brained and redirect your âagainst the ToSâ post to them.
No, but causing unrest does. A disturbance. A dissatisfaction. Furthermore, the fact that you do this multiple times across the DK forums donât help your case.
Take a look at your first post in this for instance. What was the purpose of it? Were you saying what you said in a respectful manner? Because I donât know about you but it sounded dismissive to Chillpillsâ experience. Not very respectful.
Not only that, but you also questioned people agreeing with you getting a second KM stack on your second post. You are challenging a group of people thatâd like to have this QoL feature and started doubling down on people asking for it since Cata and blah blah blah.
Grizzle is not helping your case either. And okay, maybe inflated stats is a valid counterpoint to KM not getting a second stack but understand thatâs just a weak argument at this point (as this happens EVERY end of an expansion) and currently is besides the point.
- Creating threads for the sole purpose of causing unrest on the forums
You are causing unrest. This is not the first time youâve done it and it is probably not the last time either.
Whatâs worse: People know who you are. What you argue for reasons unknown for many. What your takes are (some are better, some are ridiculous as saying Sleet is not a reliable CC for its duration). But worst of all, you do your disagreements in a worst way possible.
Why do you think you have Chillpills or Akatsuki insult you here? Donât play the victim and blame their actions for once and think of your own. Because while their actions arenât right, they have (understandably) their own reasons to do so.
- Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish
To simply put, disagree once. If people start insulting you, just ignore them. Be a bigger person.
Donât double down by posting stuff that at this point nobody cares about. Donât complain about people not reading or caring about your posts either because the fact that you donât care about other posterâs concerns results in a consequence that you probably⊠will complain about them later.
Break the cycle. But knowing you, the cycle may repeat. Will happy to be wrong.
- Causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that ruin the thread, insulting other posters
Is it right for Chillpills to insult you? No. But you shouldnât either and not cause disruptions that lead towards inappropriate behavior.
I get it. Chillpills is insulting you. He is dismissive towards you. Okay, but thatâs Chillpillsâ only violation and not cause unrest in the forums.
Meanwhile Tofurious has a valid concerns about the state of Obliteration and you dismiss him and call him a troll.
Tofurious is probably one of the most chill DK Iâve ever across these forums and⊠Youâre dismissive to him, why?
You ruin threads by rambling about history of peopleâs complaints that⊠Once again⊠Nobody cares about.
Hereâs an idea, instead of rambling about logs, peopleâs complaints and double down, try linking Warcraftlogs. Help your readers out instead of disrespecting or insulting them because youâre not better off. Youâre not doing anyone a favor if you disagree in disagreeing sake.
- Making non-constructive posts
I think a lot of people are guilty of this but you especially when you paint yourself a big target for everyone to ignore you.
Read before you post and think to yourself âAm I gonna piss anyone off reading this?â. If so, you really should tread lightly.
Conclusion
People have valid reasons not to like you and perhaps you may not care. But you really need to start thinking about those around you.
You are causing unrest in the DK forums and thatâs against the ToS. Do not mistake their inaction as an agreement and be complacent to their poor moderation. If you continue to cause unrest without understanding the reason and still not care, count your fortune while it lasts.
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My first post⊠ok what about it? The purpose of asking
that was because of
None of that is actually accurate to the spec. We do not fish for procs using Frost Strike or Howling Blast rotationally. Fire actually fishes for procs, they are doing a specific thing in an attempt to gain something, they can also force it. Frost doesnt do anything like that, we just auto attack for the chance to gain something which you arent actively fishing for it, its just a passive gain, or we force it through Obliteration windows.
My second post was what? Questioning people agreeing with me getting a second stack? What in the world are you talking about? I was responding to Chillpills saying
Which I responded with
Which I went into fishing for procs which we dont do. I also went into the low crit levels pvpers have (5% which is the base crit chance) and how its just a non-issue. An exception to the rule doesnt mean anything. Just because it can happen doesnt mean that you have to create measures for that inevitability.
Lets see if this statement actually falls under the rule that you linked.
Im not creating threads. Just because you say im âcausing unrestâ and the rule says âcausing unrestâ doesnt mean that im creating threads to cause unrest.
Sleet isnt reliable in terms of CC in terms of duration because it breaks on damage. If you sleet an enemy and you want it to stay ccâed, its a piss poor cc for doing that because any splash damage that might hit it removes the cc. AS Biceps says in his guide and you like to point to these authority people all the time, that its best used for aoe interrupts or disruption. So how is what I said a ridiculous take exactly? I think its much more ridiculous to say its reliable and put it in peoples head that its a good cc that should be used if you need to CC a group of people because say the tank is getting chunked. Uh⊠no its not a good thing to do or tell people that its this great no fault ability. It has its uses but you are doing the exact thing you are accusing me of.
Why do I think they insult me here? They are unstable and have no control over their emotions.
Thats spamming. Repeating the same phrase over and over. Where have I done that? Oh right I havent. Similar phrases? Again the key word here are phrases. It doesnt mean you cant continue to make your point.
Insulting others is causing unrest and making off topic posts. Hes literally doing what you put onto me.
History is important, especially when it comes to 10.0 because you have to go back and look at things from a new expansion perspective and not from an end of expansion point of view. What were you guys doing at the beginning of the expansion? Complaining about Obliterate, KM procs and the like. So why in 10.0 should KM stack to 2 when we are going to most likely be losing the things that are causing the problem in the first place. Tier set bonus, artificially inflated stats from legendaries and soulbinds / conduits and such.
What concerns does he have about Obliteration that I dismissed him as a troll? You have had a track record of being wrong in your entire post you are probably wrong about that as well.
I did read it and I didnt think asking for clarification was going to piss anyone off⊠and me asking for clarification shows that I read the damn thing. Did you? Or did you just skim it for a change without looking at the reason why say âKM stacking twice⊠go for itâ because that looks like what people did and so on these forums.
I dont care about people not liking me, that doesnt mean im causing unrest, especially the bs claim that asking for clarification is causing unrest because others are unhinged and you should tread lightly. Thats what I get from your post. âIts your fault other people are unhinged and you should tread lightly on these threadsâ.
The thing is people have reported me for the thing you are claiming⊠yet I see the little green icon and it basically says no violation has been made.
Nothing that you even linked from the ToS is applicable here. Dont blame me for other people flipping their lid. Reminds me of the Amber Heard trial where she blamed Johnny for her actions like hitting him. So how is that at all fair to me that you blame me for other peoples actions? People dismiss me all the time and they repeat the same phrase over and over again. âYou dont play the gameâ which not only is the worst form of argument, but its breaks
part of your rule quote.
Oh and⊠who is Akatsuki?
By posting threads with takes along with rubbing groups of people in a wrong way, you are causing an unrest.
People are immediately trolling you whenever you post. Doesnât that concern you one bit? Probably not but thatâs just one of the consequences of your repeated actions that youâve yet taken an account for.
Iâll rephrase my question. What did you do to piss Chillpills off? Because itâs clearly more than just âasking for clarificationâ.
The Green Icon is not a good sign. They probably left you off with a warning. Donât be complacent.
See posts 101 to 120, conversation between you and Tofurious. You werenât cool to take a joke, at all. That was Tofuriousâ mistake.
Even if Iâm wrong. Thatâs okay because⊠I actually admit my mistakes, learn from them and improve.
You donât.
If various people (Chillpills, Tofurious, etc.) say that and you continue to deflect that as if you do play the standard content (which I donât believe you do), maybe there is a hint of truth behind that statement?
Here is a question. Why should people believe in any of your opinions? ⊠and donât pull a NO U and say like âWhy should I believe yoursâ because thatâs not what Iâm wondering and attitude like that is disrespectful and piss people off.
You said the word âinflatedâ 20 times in this post as if thatâs a relevant argument against the change:
⊠and your conclusion that it isnât needed. If people donât read you out, maybe they simply donât agree with you?
Saying this over and over again doesnât do anyone a favor.
It was funny the first time you said it. Not the second time. Also this is not a court.
Someone you pissed off.