Read, it will be your friend. Im not repeating myself because you are lazy.
No, I read it.
I just donât think there is another way to get a KM proc prior to Obliterationâs existence.
Thats all that KM was, a crit. And Deathchill was a way to force a crit with both Obliterate and Frost Strike along with Howling Blast and Icy Touch. Press button, get crit.
Deathchill was just a buff that makes your next Obliterate, Frost Strike, Icy Touch or Howling Blast crit. While it is functionally similar to KM which was for specifically worked for Obliterate and Frost Strike, theyâre both completely different buffs.
If you use them both on a shared ability, you use both. Effectively wasting Deathchill buff.
I was talking about specifically proccing KM and only KM.
Congrats, you can repeat what I said.
How is that no different than what people are seeing now? Use Deathchill to use on Obliterate, while going to press Obliterate you get a KM proc and you lose one or the other.
Its basically the exact same scenario as now. But thats why people used Deathchill on Howling Blast with Rime so this eating of both (basically KM eating KM) wouldnt happen.
Natural KM procs could happen right when you were trying to spend a KM proc so one KM proc would eat the other. There were threads on it almost every expansion. Then they made it based on crit which cut it down SIGNIFICANTLY⊠AND they made it so you could only use KM procs on Obliterate so the issues people had with the split in the spec where they would get a KM proc while using Frost Strike but wanted to use KM procs on Obliterate didnt happen anymore.
⊠and since Deathchill is not a KM proc, regardless of their similarities: You have no other way to get a KM proc other than natural procs prior to Obliteration.
ThereforeâŠ
This statement is true.
No, its not true. Its not needed. So many people in here have stated as such, its not a need, its a QoL want based on the last 10% of an expansion with artificially inflated stats.
see.
Its not a need.
You mean just you and Grizzle? Can you name another that disagrees with OP?
As for the âneedâ statement⊠Thatâs besides the point at this rate. Itâs still a good QoL proposal. :L
Okay, maybe itâs not a âNEEDâ but itâs still a nice QoL proposal nevertheless.
This statement is true. I omitted the ânot needed before, needed nowâ statement to make you and the Druid happy and hopefully come with a compromise.
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I did more than just name another, I quoted another.
There is another one.
Not needed before? Its pretty clear you never played DW prior to Legion then because there were many complaints about KM eating KM. Going to spend a KM proc and DW attacked so quick and it was based off of regular auto attacks that you could get a proc while just trying to consume a proc.
The issue is literally the biggest nothing burger in the universe right now and then. I would also say that people had a bigger argument then because there was absolutely NOTHING you could do about it. You couldnt swap talents to cut down on the amount of KM procs you are getting, it was just the nature of the spec and the only real thing you could do is hope and possibly have a swing timer to try to spend between attacks that would happen so fast.
This issue is a much bigger issue for DW players that play Obliteration if we want to call this an âissueâ. DW attack rate without haste or Icy Talons or anything is already faster than your GCD. 1.3 seconds between attacks 1.5 second base GCD. 2h can already get slightly over 2 abilities per 1 auto swing.
Its absolutely a bigger issue for DW then you add in Icy Talons, hero/lust, erw and you are already getting to the point DW might need 3 stacks as a QoL improvement just because of the amount of autos going out along with forcing procs from Frost Strike and Howling Blast.
???
You are confusing me. Do you think itâs a need or not?
If it is, youâre agreeing with Chillpills and acknowledging that this is a good change for the direction of the spec.
If it isnât, well you already have your reasons.
What is there to be confused about? I think I have made it quite clear that this isnt a need due to artificially inflated stats.
Im just asking why stack to just 2? This âissueâ impacts DW much more than 2h because it loses a lot more not just within that PoF window, but just from being DW and having over double the attacks.
So no, its not a good change for the direction for the spec because you will be right back saying how bad the spec is at the beginning of the expansion just like you did with this one. Not one of your complaints was âim getting too many KM procs here it should stack to 2â it was the opposite. It was âobliterate hits like a wet noodleâ âKM doesnt proc enoughâ. Remember talking about possibly increasing frosts base crit to 15% instead of the 5% that it is baseline right now? I remember.
So many people were saying the sky is falling, pvpers are quitting, the best pvper quit you cant say things are good, 2h is reliant on forcing KM procs, what do you know you dont play the game. Now what are people doing?
Things arent adding up here.
Again I ask, KM stacking to 2 and going back to the start of SL⊠it would be absolutely useless according to âthe people that play the gameâ.
Then thatâs all that needs to be said. You are entitled to your opinion and many of us will not agree on it.
Going DW Obliteration with IT sounds terrible but keep complaining about other people complaining when ultimately nobody really cares.
Chillpills, Tofurious, Biceps and majority of the Dk Community thatâs Frost enthusiasts just want the spec to feel good to play as other specs change as well.
Anyway, why am I talking to someone who doesnât think Sleet is a solid good talent. 
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Overlapping killing machine procs has been an issue for the past 6 years since legion. Kelliste likes to pretend this is a temporary problem from inflated stats but factually this has existed since obliteration was introduced into the game. And it still does occur even without obliteration on very rare instances. But the fact remains that if it could double stack you would NEVER experience an uncontrolable DPS loss due to it occuring, So then why should we not implement 2 stack killing machine?
So kelliste can continue to be a monkey on the forums? I certainly hope not
Implement 2stack killing machine, Ignore the clowns who have no legitimate argument against it other than really weird takes nobody cares about
And lets not forget previous posts i made in this discussion that talked about the usefulness of 2stacking killing machines during pillar when you have to dip out with mechanics or are being kited in pvp. Ya ya kelliste totally ignored that one because it made to much sense and they knew it destroys their argument single handedly
Imagine a world where you press pillar, get a mechanic, and can prebuild 2 stacks of killing machine with howling blast while you do the mechanic, so you can come back in and blast off 2 oblits back to back for makeup damage, Same goes for pvp when you are kited
This is what these clowns are trying to prevent from happening
iTs nOT a NeEdEd ChAnGe
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Except many do agree that its not needed.
Theres like 5 people posting in here, I dont think you should talk about the overall community. I dont think you guys are frost enthusiasts either. Hell you quit frost and complained about it for the majority of the expansion playing demo unless you lied about it.
Why am I talking so someone who doesnt understand simple arguments. Guess what, the people who you listed, agreed with what I said about Sleet. I said that the CC isnt reliable for the duration, but for some reason you just dont get it. You can be told 3 words and change 2 of them for no reason at all.
You also argued for some idiotic reason that when I said Hypothermic Presence does what it is supposed to well, you again for some reason think that means its a good talent that you should pick up despite the fact that I said its not needed. Something can do something well and you not need it at all. Tin snips cuts tin well, but you dont need them when you are cutting wood. Hypothermic Presence works well, but its not needed.
And in Legion and BFA were DW only expansions. If you cared to read my posts at all, you would see that I have been saying its more of an issue for DW. But it is still a temporary problem due to inflated stats. Oh look, BFA also had inflated stats with corruption where you would get haste and crit for Icecap. Artificially inflated stats for something to work that would lead to double KM procs. Also Obliteration just wasnt that great of a talent.
And no, I didnt ignore you saying doing double howling when you have to run out to have 2 stacks when you go back in, I actually asked why are you using a major CD when you have to run out? Thats bad play. Or do you actually not know the fights and are just getting carried?
Imagine a world where you know the fight and dont press pillar when mechanics are coming up that would force you out. I dont see you trying to help BoS in this regard and that they should just know the fight and not use BoS if they have to run out. Where is their quality of life? Imagine a world where you press BoS and can ranged Obliterate to keep your BoS going because mechanics happened because you dont actually know the fight.
Your arguments are just bad arguments. Anyone can argue anything through the use of QoL. DK should be entirely ranged so they dont have to deal with melee mechanics because ranged have it easier most of the time so it would be a QoL improvement.
You just have a serious problem with actually reading while calling people monkeys and clowns while trying to say I should be banned from the forums.
What a lowlife you are.
hey guys cool it
what do you guys think of envokers empower thing?
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You know itâs an absolute sh!t show when Kelliste is double downing overnight by trying to rationalize Hypothermic Presence has any redeeming quality whatsoever. 
It's arguably the worst talent in the game.
Anyway, as for Evokers, they better drop Totems of Undying when I kill them.
you ape, Its not always up to you on whether or not youre selected for a mechanic during a burst window. You would know that if you actually played the game which you dont. Unlike you i actually play the game, and a lot too. I raided cutting edge in legion, And i got glad twice in bfa. I did a lot of mythic plus selling carries to people like you who dont have literally any clue on what theyre doing or talking about.
Killing machine overlaps occured for me in the first two patches of legion bfa and shadowlands even before stats got inflated. You just cant accept that its a reality our class has to deal with because we cant stack 2 killing machines. And once again you STILL havent given a good reason on why it shouldnt be changed to stack twice other than once again, a pointless take that isnt even valid to begin with. Nobody likes you at all. Because all you do is argue for the sake of arguing and for no other reason. You come into the forums acting like you have any clue on what youre saying but all it takes to see that you dont is opening your character page and seeing that you dont do keys, that you dont pvp, and that you dont raid. You dont play the game bro so keep your garbage opinion to yourself
And the cherry ontop, you think sleet isnt a reliable cc for the duration? Bro i have single handedly shut down entire teams burst windows with a sleet, you can stop an entire add groups casts by sleeting them, and then slow them all by 50%
Sleet is probably the most busted cc weâve had in a very long time. Its part of what makes frost even remotely as good as it is in arena and im sure the same can be said in keys as well
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Lowlife. Not reading anything past that. Start with an insult ill respond in kind.
Spent more time playing the game and less on the forums. I promise you within a few resets you will know exactly what chill pills and the rest of us are talking about
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