Anyone who’s playing as or played with a resto druid in TBC classic arena has felt like wound poison applies far too quickly, making abolish poison feel useless. Turns out, rogues’ shiv has a chance to apply an extra poison - meaning 1 shiv can (and often does), apply 2 stacks of wound! This of course not only makes wound more oppressive but also is an overall huge damage buff to rogues as they need to spend way less energy on shivs.
Is this the reason RMP is dominating arena across regions? Of course not. But its definitely a contributing factor to Rogues dominating both 2s AND 3s.
Indeed. Which seems like a bug. I know the tooltips arent really the source of truth by any means - but it does say “offhand attack that applies poison” - not “offhand attack AND applies poison”.
With some decent luck a rogue can have 5 wounds up with 2 globals (4 from the 2 shivs, and 1 from a mainhand swing.)
To apply two stacks they have to synch their shiv with an offhand swing and pray to RNG.
It’s not a bug it’s how shiv is supposed to work.
only if they’re running double wound, wouldn’t MNP help against some comps more than a second chance at a wound poison stack? I haven’t rogued it in a long time.
It can’t double proc off shiv. It can proc off shiv and offhand swings for 2 stacks.
Also running double wound is possible off one global thanks to sword spec.
You’re actually pointing out exactly what’s bugged here. It can, explicitly, double proc off shiv. If a rogue is running wound in offhand and crippling main hand, the instant they shiv (without any other auto going off), it will definitely apply 1 wound, and has a good chance to apply a 2nd from that shiv. That’s the bug.
Bugs are unintended by the developer. It can’t really be a bug if the developer is satisfied with how it works even if the description of it is poorly worded.
The bigger challenge is that given that it’s classic era even if it’s truly a bug, but design they let ride for TBC it may be more fair to let it ride rather than change how it worked because it wasn’t actually how they wanted it to work. So the real question is how did it work in TBC (and I doubt many of us remember that very well).
They also claimed snapshotting was a bug they just let ride in MoP (which is kodo crap by the way) despite the fact that the whole affliction playstyle was reasonably balanced around how it worked. You can bet your bottom dollar if we make it to MoP that “bug” will be around for it.
Totally fair. That’s how I feel about it as well. Whether it’s a bug or not, just want to bring attention to it to hopefully get some answer from blizzard on how it worked/how they want it to work.
I’m not sure if you are actually experiencing a bug, or just don’t understand… all I can tell you is that I have played a rogue for all of classic and TBC and shiv has never applied a poison twice. It can apply a poison, and the auto attack swing for the off-hand line up at the same time and apply a poison making it seem that shiv applied twice. But I promise you it doesn’t.
Lmfao literally 0 sympathy from me, Druids are OP beyond comprehension and it only gets worse with the next expansion. Take the double wound poison and enjoy it!
Edit - a warlock complaining for his Druid friend… absolutely hilarious.
True. Shiv isn’t bugged. I’ve never once had it double proc a poison. It can proc from an auto attack and shiv at the same time, which is how it always was. Druids in PvP are above God tier. How does a rogue kill a druid in arena??? How I do it is to have 4 or 5 weapons with different poisons. Plus a Dazzling Longsword so I can put faerie fire on them where they can’t stealth…. Spam the crap out of shiv and weapon swap to apply crippling every time they shift, stack wound, apply mind numbing, stack deadly poison to attempt big Envenom dps bursts and to make it harder to dispell wound…. Then you have to time doing a cloak-vanish-garrote at the perfect time so they can’t heal, and your partner has to pump any damage they can into them inside of the 3 second silence, and if you are lucky and can use Prep, you can make it 6 seconds… if that fails you aren’t getting another chance to kill them for at least 5 minutes.
Not a bug. What is a bug though is abolish targeting non stack poisons initially rather than wounds. Often fighting LD I find myself cringing at how none of my wound stacks get targeted by abolish but my crippling is instantly removed over and over.
If youre going to complain about something at least know what youre talking about first. You can potentially get 2 stacks from a seemingly one melee swing because shiv instantly applies a stack and a white melee attack from that weapon has a chance to apply it also. That is not a bug my friend.
Imagine not being able to kill a Druid as a rogue lol. Cheap shot gouge kidney dead. Hopefully that helps you out. Most op class complaining about anything is funny
Okie doke mr shaman with 0 arena exp. If you think druids are more op than rogues mages or priests Then you probably don’t have a clue what you are talking about
Haha okay man. I already don’t take level ten retail alts very seriously, but you’re taking it to a new level. You absolutely cannot kill a Druid in even blue PvP gear before kidney is down. You’re also pretending trinkets aren’t a thing. You’re a no-experience troll and it’s beyond obvious lol
You are expecting to kill anyone in blue pvp gear? Aka 3 tiers behind? Oof. Idk man. I’m not gonna explain every single step of how to kill a Druid but it literally happens all the time. Look at the ladder. Are you saying the 25+ rank 1 rogues don’t kill any druids? Lmfao