He came back as a ghost! Thats the true Horde bias.
I donāt get it. If that were true then why did elune give her the extra power boost to chase her down when she said āit is time, my life for hersā ? If elune wanted to spare her why not end the night warrior then and let Sylvanas get away? Why humiliate her by fading her powers when she had her in her grasps?
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They needed Tyrande to finally land 1 hit on her.
But still needed Sylvanas to be the smug queen too.
And they needed Sylvanas to get away.
When you have these three criteria then you only have the option of Tyrande trying to choke an undead as her most victorious moment that she would have paid for with her life if Elune didnāt cut her off of the moon juice.
Iām going to get a lot of mileage out of thisā¦
Just the next few seconds after the timestamp. Thatās how I feel about this beat regarding Sylvanas.
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If I was trying to write what would happen afterward, I think Iād probably try to do something where after sheās fixed up, Tyrande continues on her quest to track down Sylvanas (assuming she escapes post-raid) but this time itād be with a more grounded demeanor. Maybe Sylvanas has some sort of trap set up with the assumption that Tyrande would just blindly bumble into but she avoids it because sheās no longer rushing in without a plan like she originally did at the start of the expansion.
There aināt gonna be any Pulitzers with that kind of writing but at least it would shed the vengeance shtick without replacing it with passivity.
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I meanā¦
Others have brought this up before me, but it seems kind of silly to elevate this theme when youāre only going to apply it to one character, whereas other instances of vengeance are just fine and considered good. But I would also add that itās not even applied here. Tyrande jumps head first into the maw, brutalizes their armies for a while, frees her people from Torghast, and saves the defenders of Ardenweald from Andre the Giant there. You could say āoh, Sylvanas distracted herā, but the same would have happened if those defenders were rent apart by either her or that giant.
So, Iām not seeing where Tyrandeās actions led her into a trap or even had any downside. The only thing Iām seeing here is leaning on the theme with the framing - which once again in this case has to do with what looks like the worldās easiest trolley problem.
Now, sure, you could reveal later that there was some double-plus ungood thing that only the writers knew about until that moment which makes an otherwise rational course of action now ābadā according to Blizzardās narrative, but thatās going to have the same problem of a bad detective novel - you didnāt give the audience any room to work out in the first place why a set of actions could have turned out poorly, and so it will likely feel like the writer is just trying to look clever when they havenāt laid the groundwork for where they were going.
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I wasnāt saying Tyrande was led into a trap in the first place. That was just a dumb future hypothetical idea of mine of Sylvanas trying to 4D Chess her post-raid and making the wrong move because she underestimated Tyrande. I was also working with the assumption that you canāt rewrite the āvengeance is badā stuff since itās already been seeded in live dialogue.
I guess my pushback to this is that I think the theme is wildly out of place here - which isnāt so much of a criticism against your hypothetical more than it is one about the use of the theme here.
Iām reminded of Avatar: The Last Airbender, and an episode where one of the main characters seeks revenge on a commander who murdered that characterās mother, and who we find has retired into an obscure and miserable life. Heās no longer a threat to anyone, and on this basis she canāt bring herself to kill him, but also doesnāt move past the event - she doesnāt forgive him. In that situation, I could see that sort of a theme working.
I canāt see it here. Sylvanas is still a threat, sheās not apologetic, sheās certainly acting as the bad guy here. There appears to have been given no reason to think otherwise, especially given that her overall philosophy has not been well established (and, no, Warcraft is not going to put a definitive answer down on the free will problem - thatās still being hotly debated). Thereās also the little issue that she was responsible for an onscreen genocide imposed on a race represented by a substantial playerbase, that was depicted in one of the most horrific ways ever depicted in the medium.
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Maybe Iām misunderstanding your post but I wasnāt suggesting that Tyrande quit going after Sylvanas or forgive her. I never watched Avatar myself so I canāt really speak on that topic.
Iām aware that youāre not, but again, Iām pushing back on the appropriateness of the theme.
Gotta think that it pretty much confirms that she has a falling out with the Jailer (or an Azshara like scene in the raid). I would seem odd to put it in there if they werenāt going to use it.
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Just wanted to pop in and mention how good that video was. Youāve linked it before but I was too focused on arguing with people to stop and actually watch it. Entertaining and enlightening, thanks.
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Video from the biggest shill around
Yeah this is gonna be reputable.
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If it makes you feel better they were the ones who made the Calia thing happen by putting her infront of Golden.
This was actually a pretty decent analysis. Thank you for posting it.
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Iām not entirely sure taking revenge advice from a short story whose entire point was overreaction from an unreliable narrator who may be slightly nuts and exaggerating the slights he received is a good idea lol.
Iād nearly forgotten about that.
I didnāt make that video. What does that have to do with my question? And no, Iām not gonna argue about some fan theory. Donāt have time to watch it either.
If you think Tyrande was unbalanced in BfA uffā¦ I got a bridge to sell you. She was perfectly reasonable in all of BfA.
Avenging Senājin was also reasonable in my view and Zulājin no ending his fight too. So there is that.
Edit: The strange thing from Tyrande was to listening to Thrall.