9.1 Tyrande cinematic

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IMO it would work just fine given that the general members of the races and the player characters are not of fully the same kind. It might be fine for various races to have their strengths / weaknesses, while not meaning much for the PCs (since they are tied to Azeroth, players have a different source of power identical for everyone no matter the race chosen).

Besides, the alliance had a good enough counterpart, so it could’ve work fine. According to the TBC manual female draenei is about the height of the male tauren. Add magic affinity as a substitude of the bulk muscles and viola - it works.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/3/3a/WoW_Manual_-_height_chart.png/revision/latest?cb=20141006203210

Now, the model update did many “interesting” things alongside adding extra polygons, but the potential was there at least originally.

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1st - depends on the details.

2nd - if it’s confirmed to be “because cool” then what logic do you seen?

It requires to have precise definitions and consistency to make it work. So far to me the game looks like the devs trying to run away from the consequences. But all the time this story was sold as the justice one. Attempts to rail aside will just make the devs liars, and will make more people annoyed.

There is nothing to muddle, since the BfA pre-patch this story was about justice.

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The justice vs vengeance argument is meaningless semantics when you acknowledge that Tyrande’s pact has done only good for the world. She saved Darkshore, she killed Nathanos, she saved however many elven souls in the Maw, she spent however long wrecking the Jailor’s house in Torghast, she one-shot the Tarragrue and saved the Ardenweald gang - literally nothing but good outcomes for her people and the universe at large.

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I’m thinking of Shandris’s BFA line in particular about her trying to beg Tyrande to let go of the Night Warrior’s anger while she literally calls it vengeance in response.

To be clear, I don’t even like the idea of that story beat. I’m just trying to guesstimate what I think Blizzard is trying to go for.

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Ah, the same Shandris who talks in Shadowlands about

I cannot fault my mother’s intent… but she will be consumed before she finds justice for our people.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Recovery_of_Tyrande_Whisperwind

Blizz is trying the same thing they do since Danuser got on board - instead of resolving / addressing story points, to present another mystery and hope that it will occupy people for long enough to stop caring.

#skippable_rant

It’s the story that can be told, but not like that. It requires consistency and clarity of the intention.

Say, fungarians with their revenge against house of rituals gathered together and only made it easier to be captured again.

Or, “Monument to vengeance” quest to be weekly (available only early in the week), and give like x2-x3 times the usual rep and stygia, but for the rest of the week the player would start with the 4th lvl of the eye of the Jailer right when enters the Maw.

Or the story when there is a battle (would be better placed during the 4th war, but not necessary), where the horde suffers a devastating loss… only to find out that the reason for that were the forcibly converted, including the member of the Scarlet Brotherhood, clearly portraying that the blood elves (a little) and the forsaken (mostly) who were fine using their captives however they pleased reaped what they sowed.

And so on. And then it would make sense as a general narrative theme that however one paint the intentions / reasons, ends might not justify means.

But this is not what happens. The game has plenty of glorified revenge plots literally asking the players to assist with revenge / vengeance to no detriment, and sometimes with praise.

Among all of that if the devs take this turn it won’t be consistent with the rest of the game, and players might easily conclude that it’s only in this case the devs denied them what was given to others.

Add to it the long story of the alliance in general being on the receiving end of the conflicts and shamed for even thinking about retaliating (Varian, Anduin, Khadgar), losing territories, and such, and with all of the mess that was going since Cata, is it really surprising that the alliance side is getting thinner and thinner?

It’s also highly ironic that the horde’s image also was tarnished after WotLK, so the same approach is just devastating overall. These stories and ideas did not make horde proud or strong. They just make the game IMO way worse.

[I think that it needs a bit of clarity, that the blood elves were mentioned in relation to the Scarlets because of the WoW comic Crusader’s Blood, where they acted for a bit alongside the forsaken]

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Well there we go, now can end the debate the undead can’t be killed by having their neck broken?

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What was the point in Elune granting Tyrande’s final prayer to catch Sylvanas?

Trying to view this from Elune’s perspective it just seems dumb and totally illogical.

If Elune wanted Sylvanas alive why grant Tyrande’s prayer to catch her?
If Elune wanted Tyrande to live why make her a Night Warrior?

All that’s been accomplished by Elune making another Night Warrior is killing Nathanos and making her most devout priestess have doubt in their faith.

Elune’s goofy.

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Hee hee. Elune rummages in space affairs, receives a request to receive power from Tyrande, automatically approves of work, suddenly turns around, sees an almost empty Tyrande health bar and crashes the supply of power throughout the universe. Hee hee.
Mda. A bad joke. Terrible.

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It really seems like Blizzard should have set an actual limitation on the Night Warrior at the start, rather then a vague power boost that lasts for a vague amount of time until the person dies from it.
It would make more sense for why Tyrande staying in the Maw was dumb (besides the obvious in that Torghast canonically can change its interior freely) if she had an actual concrete upper limit she could hit before finding Sylvanas, and would make the fight have very little grey area to interpret Elune as somehow a villain now.

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Nobody was debating that

Tyrande was pressing down, not trying to do a twisting motion.

Pressing down doesn’t snap the spine.

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If you have enough strength, it will…i mean, its not smart and a huge waste of force to bring it on, but atleast, its possible.

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Side note until we get confirmation that Elune took away the power intentionally, apparently Mawsworn adds + Sylvanas are stronger than multiple Old Gods together (going by Qadarin/Thiernax describing what they used it for).

Tired.

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No Zahir lol that would require to to basically decapitated all the muscle and tissue until you get to the spine.

And tyrande didn’t even manage to break her windpipe which is the easiest thing to break.

YOU can break someone windpipe with 15 seconds and well placed thumbs.

“Why do you know this Baal” mind ya business

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If Tyrande had continued to stay in that mode and it hadn’t - plotarmor deus ex machina - disappeared , you don’t know how it would have gone on. Maybe she would have simply torn Sylvanas’ head off.

she was like 3-4 seconds on sylvanas neck…after this time, the night warrior vanished.

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And if the Night Warriors can falcon punch someone a few dozen meters, 3 seconds should be all she needs to break her windpipe and start pseudo decapitating sylvanas

And yet.

It’s just bad physiology and physics meant to look cool.

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It don’t because blizzard isn’t constant with it. We also have prove that it doesn’t. So here we are debating something that is useless since both side are true and wrong at the same time.

What can still be debated is either or not a banshee can be kill by having her neck broken, since at the end sylvanas is also a banshee. But that would also be a weird argument as we know that banshee can pass trough physical matter but on the order way, i have kill banshee with sword since vanilla.

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Sylvannas had no stones in that fight. it’s purpose was to be a diversion from the theft of the key, and in that, she achieved total success.

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Not really. Was the assassin dead? Even if Tyrande was chocking her. It was stupid. Just stop.
Stop defending these terrible hacks.

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Rules of Cool trump rules of physics. And not just in this venue.

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The assassin was dead. Or, stop being hyper critical of a cinematic that is actually as feel good as possibly for anyone who wanted to see Sylvanas get her just desserts without actually killing her.

She was never suppose to die in this cinematic but you can actually see her struggle and actually fear she might get killed by Tyrande(if only for just a second). Choking in this context is suppose to show two things, 1) that Sylvanas was being totally dominated by Tyrande(yes I know how that sounds) and more importantly 2) Tyrande can slowly try to make Sylvanas suffer/see whatever necromantic magic get snuffed out of her eyes.