This would be monstrous considering that most souls were obliterated in the maw, and she would’ve allowed their torture to happen.
The problem is that not only did Elune lose her goddess status, she’s also not exclusive to the Night Elves anymore.
The whole “goddess” mentions of the night elves doesn’t make any sense then anymore…
Some Night Elf souls were obliterated in Torghast. Nothing has been stated that it was most.
Being exclusive to the Night Elves is not what made Elune a goddess, and if anything being more universal highlights her being a goddess even more.
According to ingame numbers it was if you take the percentages
No, but it means that the Night Elves aren’t her (only) chosen people anymore, and it makes her an equal to the Winter Queen which means that Elune is not a goddess anymore.
well, look for a moment at the power of the eternal ones. they all seem to be around titan keeper level in power. none of them show any level of power beyond this, and kyrestia seems even weaker than that.
that reduces elune to nothing. high tier loa at most. maybe the seeds of her being a loa was planted in bfa, with the zandalari cult worshipping her.
Being the Winter Queen’s sister does not inherently make them equal. Blizzard can still have Elune be a goddess regardless of being an Eternal One’s sister.
And Elune can have many chosen people if she wants, especially if she’s overseeing many planets and realms.
Did she? Because nothing implies this at all. You’re extrapolating and assuming a wholly negative opinion about something that isn’t clarified at all.
The Winter Queen, Denathrius, the Archon, they all can manifest beings into existence. They can create from nothing. Even if you take the worst possible take on this, and say Elune is only on the level of the Winter Queen, does that suddenly mean she’s “lost her Goddess status.”
Because what is actually a Goddess in this universe? As someone else said, is not the fact that she’s worshipped across the cosmos make her seem MORE of a Goddess than if she was just a favored deity of one race on one planet?
I don’t personally care either way if Elune is a ‘Goddess’ or not (And I’m a big Night Elf/Tyrande fan) but people sure are assuming a lot based on the confirmation that the Winter Queen knows who Elune is, and is apparently her ‘sister.’
A few people have also brought up the idea that using familial ties between unrelated entities is not exactly a new idea in this universe. Nor does it imply anything about Elune’s power level.
I just don’t see how its a big deal. Even though I have no faith in the overarching writing, the smaller stories are pretty decent so I was pretty excited to see them finally map out just a bit more about Elune after…30 years of Warcraft lol
what is titan keeper power, cause what I saw is one elune powered nelf destorying all of sylvanas forces, so once again powerlevels are bs
This isn’t true at all. Idk where you’re getting this info. The Tears of Elune that appears in Shadowlands is produced from Tyrande, who is infused with Elune’s power.
Well, empowered by Odyn, we destroy many demons in legion.
There’s been several times we were empowered by keepers, and it always turned the tide and made us nearly invincible.
Stop taking in-game numbers as canon.
yes but the whole time the winter queen couldnt stop sylvanas but tyrande did
Winter queen does like to hide while her followers do everything. Does she ever actually confront Sylv herself? I’m sure she’d smack Sylv 1v1, I don’t think even danuser can be such an uncaring badword as to make Sylv that randomly powerful.
powerlevels are meaningless, i mean the PC can handle a god but not sylvanas in bfa, its cause powerlevels dont mean anything
Ugh. I think you are over stating the case. I frankly don’t think every complaint needs to start with rubbing the “Death Camp” changes in their face. They went overboard, listened to feedback, and reigned it in - but the over all narrative went on. You seem to be calling for them to change big parts of their planned lore at the grandest scale.
I think the comparison as well as the request are totally off base.
But even that aside, I disagree with your opinion. It isn’t that bad. I guess alot of people are disappointed with even the slightest reveal regarding Elune. Right now, she is open to all sorts of possibilities. But for every concrete thing added, somethings might be ruled out, and that can disappoint.
While she’s the wq sister it means in no way she can’t be a first one. She is the older sister of the wq and the eternal ones are as old as the universe itself…so what could be older, hrmm?
I mean no, that’s not the root of my complaint. The root of my complaint is, again:
This assignation in the cosmic “rank” of Elune, so to speak, makes the First Ones, even in speculation, unconnected to anything we know or care about that exists within the narrative.
I’m usually not one to say “I told you so”, but some people were really, really intense with how much they said Elune being the Winter Queen’s sister was insane and not true. So I’m just going to take this W and enjoy it.
I’m with you there. I cannot tell you how many people said I was stupid or ignorant whenever I’d talk about it in some format or another.
I swear it’s just people like pyromancer tainting the forums with awful headcanon and people running with it that stuff like the assumption it was Eonar was the right one to make.
Even if you’re ignorant of the story as a whole, they’ve been throwing Elune at us with increasingly regularity. Just from basic story analysis it was clear it was her.
They are the only numbers we have.
Doesn’t mean they are correct.