Sup yall, posted this in the PTR forum
Add your voice there please
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Iâve heard this sentiment mentioned before. But it makes me think about how the black blade whispers of Elune as an âupstartâ goddess. Do you think Elune may have started sometime as an entity near to / equal to WQ / eternal ones and somehow elevated herself to godhood? I mean hasnât blizz stated Elune is the closest thing to a true god we have seen in wow thus far?
Interesting implications though.
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I donât understand the drive to make Elune the uberest of ubergods
I like her being mysterious but I donât particularly care what her exact power level according to the saiyan scouter is. And a god of a lesser pantheon can still go on to become something different and greater than their original station.
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I dont see why being the winter queens sister, limits her powerlevel at all, either way powerlevel is bs, the PC is more powerful than the eternals, and more powerful than gods
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Prior to learning sheâs apparently a universal force I was holding out hope that Elune had once been a mortal or a normal loa that had drank in the power of the Well of Eternity and had been elevated to the top of the Wild God âpantheonâ as a result.
Frankly Iâd prefer her to be of equal standing to the Winter Queen, as opposed to above her.
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I specifically said the problem is not her power level but rather her placement upon a specific cosmic tier lol
The theological backdrop, the âlogicâ of the cosmology is weakened if Elune is simply another member of another Pantheon, when the Pantheons have repeatedly been stated to not be âTrue Godsâ.
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Look, as everyone here knows, Iâm a bit of a night elf weeb. I personally would vastly prefer her to be on the same tier as the Winter Queen as her sister because it allows her to still be more in line with kaldorei themes as opposed to some nebulous higher being.
Not to mention I was saying MONTHS ago that sheâs clearly the Winter Queenâs sister. It fits all too well, and I think it creates a nice parity.
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How is Yseraâs Eluneâs pet? How is Ysera of Elune?
Sargeras was on the Order pantheon. He sure as hell didnât stay there
Elune is probably the Life equivalent of the Winter Queen but seems to have dipped into other parts of the cosmology. She is as old as time itself. That is very plausible.
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And yet Blizzard was repeatedly stated that the Titans, Naaru, Old Gods, Wild Gods, Pantheons otherwise are not âtrue godsâ, while Elune is.
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As I said in your PTR thread, nothing in this states Elune is the Winter Queenâs sister.
She states the tear of her sister.
Eonar made the tear.
This is no less ambiguous than calling Ysera touched by her sister.
Her sister could easily be Eonar, and Blizzard is just being coy by making vague comments that could refer to either.
What does âtrue godâ even mean? More importantly, why does it matter? Was it even stated outside of an interview?
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So she was the Winter Queenâs sister that ended up becoming more powerful. Either way, this allows for a far greater connection to the night elves, aka the ones weâve known as worshipping her since WC3, and still gives her enough authority and power to stand on a universal stage.
Making her a First One just flat out means the kaldorei donât matter, theyâre just one among many. Also, many of the points on your thread seem like reaches in terms of their implications. Weâve seen mortals get turned into demons before, for instance, it stands to reason a being of power could change one back.
A true god doesnât even denote a greater level of power, people just think it does. Elune would be considered a true god because she hears prayers. Remember that Blizzard is like Marvel comics. Thor in the comics (not the films) can hear prayers and answers them. He is, therefore, a true god, in the same vein as a D&D god.
But heâs not the most powerful of beings in that setting, and neither are the D&D gods.
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Because we are being introduced to a group of supreme creator beings that we have no ties or connections to other than the prospect we were familiar with at least one, maybe two beings that belonged to said group.
Now itâs 100% vague and much less interesting because we have no sense of possible personality or context for the First Ones.
Itâs cosmological/theological construction.
No, it wouldâve made yall the Chosen People of a First One lmao
The only instance of a demon ceasing to be a demon and reverting to mortal is the instance I mentioned. There is no other instance in the game.
Already responded to you there.
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But kaldorei are evidently not the chosen people. And even if that becomes as such⌠I personally donât want that. Thatâs ridiculous as a concept, it makes the night elves far too important on a cosmic scale. How would we take anything to do with nelves seriously anymore?
So far we have the Fyzandian People on their planet and Night Elves on Azeroth; she has a chosen people per planet evidently.
Moving goal posts.
Solution would be that another First One would be tied to idk, Orcs or Tauren.
Multiple night warriors means this ship sailed.
Iâm fine with whatever. Having Elune has the only true deity and only associated with Night Elves is obnoxious.
If sheâs tossing Night Warriors out there like Oprah - cool. If sheâs not a cosmological constant - fine.
Just not a fan of monotheistic in WoW. Especially when that deity has already picked her favorite.
/I think the right choice is Elune and others as the highest tier but whatever
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Well yeah weâre not familiar with the First Ones, theyâre so far removed from everything we know that theyâre extremely mysterious and far-away beings by design
Having gods without distinct personalities is a valid way to construct your universeâs mythology, especially one with a particularly comic-booky style like Warcraft. If we knew who the First Ones were theyâd just become Titans But Again, which isnât interesting
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