Considering Blizzard is moving away from pruning, I would say there’s more reason to believe they’ll be permanent as opposed to being taken away.
You guys pulled this line when BfA was being developed, now look where this expansion is 
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Thats awesome!
Dont worry, they will fix it with 9.1/2/3/4/5/etc.!!
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I only highlight and question how accurately this will play out because we know they’re adding back in certain abilities classwide. It also depends on what is being considered an “overhaul”. Accommodating Paladin auras alone, depending on what form they take, will necessitate other baseline changes. We know Warlocks are slated to get various curses back baseline, and Searing totem is making a return to the Shaman class. All of this will impact to some extent or another how characters play. We also haven’t heard any information on other classes like Monks, and if they add Chi back for Brewmasters or Mistweavers (both unlikely but still a possibility) that is something else that would require some baseline reworking.
I can’t emphasize enough - I’m not saying Shadowlands will be either good or bad - just pointing out we don’t have a solid idea of where they are headed with many game elements. Even with more time in Beta, Blizzard has instituted major late changes - remember the talent revision in Cataclysm? Multiple iterations/expansions of the original talent point system were tested on the Beta before the current “rows” system was sprung on players.
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We also said the same thing about Legion. If you havent like the game since MoP, not sure what you’re still doing here.
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As blizzard’s first attempt at telling a story with one of their mysterious realms, it’s rules, purpose, connections to life and death, azeroth and elsewhere, and as our first time experiencing and exploring these concepts, landscapes, meanings, inhabitants and stories, I think the focus should be on absorbing how this puzzling piece of reality works, and not be distracted from this important piece of wow’s reality by a whole new class or overhaul that could detract from studying the next deep yet first chapter in the foundation of existence.
Horcruxes weren’t the main focus of the sorcerer’s stone. We had to be introduced to the world and understand how things worked and gain knowledge as we traveled through the stories to be able to understand and appreciate the darker themes and deeper unknowns that came later. They are setting the stages, this is new territory for us, and the rules for reality are being explored and experienced for the first time. A new race, class or overhaul, while thrilling, at this time might be too much considering we have a lot of stuff to comprehend. How shadowlands, life and death, and how different realms and existences fit and works, not to mention our comprehension and how we perceive it all, needs to be introduced and explored and understood and appreciated as these concepts are connected to lots of lore and will be meaningful going forward into other expansions. Not to mention, our outlook on just about everything will change, and we will need to consider and adapt to the new knowledge we uncover, and dwell on what we thought our place was and now is, in the world and in reality. The concepts we’re about to embark into are going to require adjustment and a refocusing from us and some contemplation. Fidgeting with new classes or the distraction of a new race’s story or relearning a whole class revamp could detract from the focus of understanding this new way of seeing the world and lessen what should be our true experience in the shadowlands and it’s meaning in existence.
Besides, maybe what we learn from researching and how we grow during our time being part of the shadowlands and it’s stories will transfer into our characters and become part of our classes in the future, making us better realized and taking with us a better knowledge, equipment, and arsenal of class mechanics and styles learned from our experiences in shadowlands - allowing for a more meaningful revamp (now that we’re more whole and aware of the forces around us) than simply blizzard overhauling everything for / with no reason attached to it.
Legion was awesome but lots of it was basically an invasion, nothing truly zen or spiritual or requiring us to absorb an entire reality of new lore connected to everything. Our very preparation for the incoming threat was a good way and solid explanation to hone our skills, learn new tricks and prepare. Our order halls were a good way to teach of the new stuff our classes were capable of learning. The class overhaul did not detract from a simpler (though still awesome) story about a returning army. Shadowlands will be like scope and scale of vanilla or the rts games in that everything will be new and different and will be deserving of our attention to it - for the expansion itself and it’s connection to everything before it and to things to come. I probably wouldn’t want to be bogged down by feeling that I need to try to juggle a whole new class while traversing the otherworldly while there’s a mysterious realm rich with game altering story, concepts, themes, goals and consequences.
Perhaps no major changes or class identity will mean an exciting, large scale overhaul including race-specific animations and cultural identity in spell visuals and sound effects in the next or a future expansion.
As blizzard’s first attempt at telling a story with one of their mysterious realms, it’s rules, purpose, connections to life and elsewhere, and as our first time experiencing and exploring these concepts, landscapes, meanings, inhabitants and stories, I think the focus should be on absorbing how this puzzling piece of reality works, and not be distracted from this important piece of wow’s reality by a whole new class or overhaul that could detract from studying the next deep yet first chapter in the foundation of existence.
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They do it every expac and surprised pikachu meme when the expansion turns out to be trash. I’ve seen it too many times.
All we can hope for is SL follows the one trash expac followed by a decent/great expac formula, but looking at the trailer for it im buying a put instead of a call.
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Uh. Did you read your own comment? You said: 
Which means that even you have criticism for how they’ve handled things. Because of this, I don’t understand why you’re doing the “wAiT uNtIL bEtA” meme. It’s important to bring up concerns and feedback now.
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Yes BfA was trash. Legion was not.
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It doesn’t feel like a patch to me. The locations aren’t anything even remotely related to Kul’tiras or Zandalar, complete opposite in fact. There’s no Warfronts, no Island Expeditions.
World quests have been a thing for a few expansions now, adding more doesn’t = repetition, they’re in a new series of lands, with different characters, themes and rewards.
Feels 100% like an expansion pack to me.
8 new dungeons
5 new zones
new raids
new mythic keystone dungeons
new mounts
new toys
new pets
new city
new Tower of the Damned
new Covenants
Bringing back many iconic and flavorful spells
Tons of new passives and active abilities for 36 different specs
Allied races and Pandarens will be able to roll as a Death Knight
Leveling squish and smoother leveling transitions
Sounds awesome to me and nothing like a patch I’ve ever seen has added that much new content.
There’s enough new races and classes in the game as it is. By the time 9.0 rolls around, we’ll have had 8 new races in the last two years, what more do you want?
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The WoW writers wrote BFA and had Sylvanas bring us to this new area.
They do not have the ability to pull off any of the things you mentioned. Not in any interesting way.
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The lack of a new class was a real letdown for me. First time in 15 years they’ve broken the “new class every other expansion” trend. I was really hoping for Tinkers or something ranged.
My playtime has all but vanished with BfA, and nothing in Shadowlands is making me want to continue with WoW. It sucks. I made a lot of friends here in WoD/Legion but none of them play any more.
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Idk about others but I gauge expansions on substance of things to do, that have some degree of depth, not just raiding and a new job. I mean for me it went like WolK good, Cata bad, MoP good, Wod very bad, Legion good, Bfa bad…
But opinions vary a lot. Some complain about MoP but I considered it one of the better xpacs because of the substance it had & all the things to do.
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This is how it should be, but anything that breaks the status quo of an average expansion is taboo for the forums.
Rather than actually waiting until beta, people would much rather be upset because that’s what the forums do.
I think Shadowlands looks great, and you’d think people would be all for an expansion that focuses on quality over quantity considering the state of BFA, which was all about giving us a lot to do but none of it any fun. The quality of life changes Shadowlands is bringing are overdue.
People are very eager to be upset about anything and nothing you say will make them think otherwise.
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I can agree with this, I’d actually like to see Shadowlands added as a potential ‘8.4’. Too small to be a whole new expansion on its own.
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In fairness it is still a year out. More features and elements are bound to be revealed in the meantime.
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yep same m+ and rng lootbox on tuesday,same lfr/n/h/m raids and instead of islands to grind ap endlessly you get a tower instead to grind anima.the only new feature is wod garrisons 2.0 shared garrisons.
you will be still logging in on tuesday for the next 3 years for your rng lootbox.
shadowlands is is bfa 2.0
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I mean technically 8.0 is a technically patch 7.4 renamed to 8.0 and 7.0 is a patched renamed from 6.40 you are confusing programming release code numbers. 8.0 Just like Windows XP to Vista to 7 to 10 they are essentially all the same thing underneath just slightly different variations and looks. Since we are entirely leaving Zuldazar/Borlaus they are bumping the major version number.
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all you listed is cosmetic features ill show you what shadowlands really is its bfa 2,0.
"yep same m+ and rng lootbox on tuesday,same lfr/n/h/m raids and instead of islands to grind ap endlessly you get a tower instead to grind anima.the only new feature is wod garrisons 2.0 shared garrisons.
you will be still logging in on tuesday for the next 3 years for your rng lootbox.
shadowlands is is bfa 2.0"
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