9.0 is actually 8.4

I disagree. Afflock is in the top group of raid single target dps right now, top ten on multi-target, and while I miss a few things from the old afflock, it’s still better - to me - then either other spec.

It’s still tanky as hell in open world PvE, still ramps damage effectively there, and while - as I said - I miss (and hope to see again) elements of the old afflock I certainly don’t think it’s an awful joke.

WoW 10.0 will consists of exactly 12 players, each of whom will be standing alone in different section of Azeroth, yelling “Bye Felicia” at no one in particular.

In the end, and in their loneliness, they will at least have the forums.

That expansion was Warlords of Draenor.

I’m not sure that one is a model for success.

Back then we didnt know it would be bad. Just like shadowlands. We wont know till beta.

We saw allied races. Islands, warfronts, azerite gear. It wasnt heaps but it was more than shadowlands.

All i am saying is the feature list is relying on 2 features and if they do poorly the whole xpac fails as the whole xpac revolves around them. This is a very feature slim xpac. I have played long enough to know that even if the cut things to focus on features we can still have things like warlords where stuff was cut for features that failed.

I actually don’t disagree with this, but my general point still stands.

It’s early days. I’m sure if we wait for alpha/beta/prepatch/9.0/9.1/9.2/9.3/9.4/next expansion all will be revealed!

You’re entitled to disagree, but you’re objectively incorrect (except for the ST damage).

“Damage control” lol… The crowd mostly went nuts over it in a good way.

The only people crying are the loud vocal minority on the forums.

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Well I mean expansions are really nothing more than really big content patchesthat you gotta pay for.

The current specs are fine they just need to get the artifact traits back from legion thats why classes suck in bfa.

Not really

I mean no new races was pretty obviously gonna be the case and the no new class wasn’t really surprising to me at least. The community responds with venom when the release a new class and same goes when the don’t.

Literally anything other than WoD sounds better than BFA so be happy we are getting more content

^^^^^^

Feels like one to me:

Pointless talent revamps
New pointless grind-fest
Improved time gating
More RNG
Rehashed characters and Jesus lore
More Sylvanas/Horde trash lore

The crowd also cheered for ten seconds over a picture of the Burning of Teldrassil. They cheer at almost anything.

Compare the features trailer to past ones… Very embarrassing

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I would say it’s cataclysm 2.0 as well. All the focus is on old content and leveling. Great for some but not me. Count me out at the start, maybe play a month but that bolvar thing still bothers me too much.

I agree OP. A very underwhelming expansion.

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We don’t actually know if it WILL be an underwhelming expansion yet. I think it’s fairer to say that the release trailer and blizzcon stuff was very underwhelming(and light on detail) and I’m worried that it will end up being underwhelming because at the moment it feels like it.

9.0 is so far away and we have so little details aside from where the hell we are going and a few other details

This xpac didn’t really add anything that legion didn’t have aside from islands and war fronts - which both flopped

I guess they added warmode too but that was also not that great

p small minded 2 think “boring xpac because no new class” that wouldn’t add anything to the game anyways

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This is why I’m holding off on my preorder. I’ve heard conflicting information about the anima and covenant grinds. I need more info.

Yeah, I kinda agree. I mean, the Covenants and turning DK into the next Warrior by making it a universal race/class combo are interesting enough, but as expansion-introduction features they don’t really cut the mustard.

Let’s put them side by side:

BFA

  • New Zone
  • Islands
  • Warfronts
  • More Allied Races

Shadowlands

  • New Zone
  • Torghast Tower
  • Covenants

Idk, looks pretty similar to me. Go back and watch every recent announcement trailer they have released. They all have 3-4 things announced. It’s not supposed to be huge. Idk people are playing pretend like BFA is their first xpac. The main difference between this trailer and other is they didn’t cheat and put things like “new honor talents” or some other system that wasn’t really an xpac feature in the trailer. Everything in this trailer is stuff that is actually revolved around the expac not systems that could’ve been reworked in any patch regardless of xpac.

Whatever it is i’m looking forward to it.

Konkka’s Law:

If Blizzard does something, someone somewhere will consider it bad irregardless of what it is.

The lack of details is concerning but, i expect that to be cleared up by a blog post in the next few months as well as a alpha release.