8.3 = full time job?

Blizzard may not outright say it, but the endgame grinds are basically required to enjoy any facet.

You have to grind azerite if you want to raid. Dailies are the most efficient form of gaining resources of any kind, and virtually all of those resources are to inform your power grind for raiding. Everything at the endgame funnels into a power progression system that inevitably leads to harder content.

Realistically, the only things you could do are pet battles or transmog. Mount collecting is a thing too, I guess.

So what I’ve learned from this thread is people love to grind and the rest of us should too

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I’m neutral when it comes to wow as a whole - but from the looks and feel on ptr - this is gonna be more of a grind than the previous patches imo. Especially with the weekly lockouts with certain new content.

Hope it feels fun though - for me if the content is enjoyable - I can live with the grind and almost forget all about it.

As for m+ grind


Anytime anything I really love gets super popular - whether it’s my favorite bands, a tv show I like, childhood video games etc. they suck when they become mainstream. I have a feeling the mythic+ genre is going to be folded into that pattern (at least for me). But we shall see. :slight_smile:

For arena, you gear up doing mythic+

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If you’re good, you gear up through arenas.

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Go check Swtor, gear doesn’t have the importance it has in WoW and is easy af to acquire, what takes times is tiny damage boosts that come from bis stats and amplifiers.

Mmorpgs don’t need grinding, only bad mmorpgs do since they want to keep players occupied and make them fight with each other who is better or worthy because gear is limited to x type of content.

Sorry but people forget games are games and are supposed to be fun, not jobs where you have to do stuff to play the game

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Some fans will defend literally anything, because cunning companies try to attach that person’s value and self worth to their ilvl and therefore the more you grind, the better you are and your ego depends on it.

In other words they are defending their weak ego and capitalists jump on the opportunity to attach themselves to anything like that because they know it is easier to get minions to do what they want

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Nope. I don’t think “most” did that.

“Hey, I left the game and now I complain about the old stuff AND new stuff! Endless grind!”

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The distinction is that whatever you worked towards in Wrath, be it the legendary axe or the LK mount or Yogg’s mount or basically anything in the game back then had a cosmetic associated to it that would be relevant for many years to come.

All of this garbo you are grinding now such as Azerite traits, essences, necklace level it’s all spreadsheet power that is deleted in 9.0.

THAT is a pretty big distinction.

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I’m okay playing the game how I want and being at a lower ilvl for it. I do casual content so I get casual rewards.

Not about being good anymore, it’s RNGesus now

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The good arena players gear through arena and some pve, like they always have.

people complain because we really dont need this azerite crap or AP farm, we dont want to have to grind anything except for gold and gear.

We do dungeons to get certain gear pieces hoping its the right stats, So that we can raid


But no we have to go do this activity for a few hours and another just to stay up to date.

Thinking about WOTLK is actually depressing
 How did we get here???

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surely we will have same and even more in shadowlands.

@OP, good post. Yeah, it’s especially bad for wanting to casually PvP and enjoy alts.

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devs are absolutely convinced that adding extra grinds is worth it

apparently the massive sub losses and record breaking low sub levels are having no impact on the design leads

they are treating the players like their ant farm, which is something the founders promised would never happen.

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So I understand, you quit early on in the expansion and now came back. You notice that in your absence the expansion progressed and are irritated that it requires some time and effort to catch up to those who didn’t quit and have been playing the entire time?

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It’s almost as if those are all trivial content nobody cares about or something.

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God forbid someone stop play and miss le exclusives and behind the ridiculous wow grinds. gotta defend those totes good and moral and fun practices xD

Man the wow playerbase really are crazy

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