I bought a month with gold to see what’s happening after a year away. Saw this, and decided that even more grinding is a good reason to stay with FFXIV for now. (4 days left).
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ESO and FF are right now way more polished than current retail WoW. Retail WoW has been severely neglected the last few years. Sad.
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you gonna finish it before collecting all the mounts. So idk what’s more efficient use of your time.
Best part is they expect this to last till prepatch which is not until Q3/Q4. LMAO.
Honestly, It shouldn’t be. This statement is saying that the devs stopped short on doing their jobs. I quit playing RIFT because the grind became a job. A Literal JOB. All because they fired 90% of the content creators. They decided that the main content would be farming for resources to make crap to sell to vendors for a worthless currency. (The update killed the currency… Sound familiar?)
With WoW, I have hated having alts since Legion. If I ever see Khadgar’s floating head in a ball again, I will personally go to Anaheim CA to scream at the dev’s face to face. And, BFA isn’t much better… Though it lacks Khadgar.
But, back to point. MMO’s do not have to be a fulltime job of grindfesting. It’s called add more content. I mean, it takes them 12-18 months to do an expansion, and they are just recoloring models from previous releases. Roughly, the same time frame most companies use to make a new game. And, after this last patch, you can’t tell me that they are testing it prior to release, otherwise the AH mail wouldn’t be F’ed up this bad. So, playing on a PTR not only are you the tester (brainwashed into believing that you are getting special access to new content) you’re also the content provider. WoW has become an open world version of Hero Wars (aka WoW-Go, ala Teen Titans Go).
(Note: this is an agreement with what you said, not an argument. 
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I’ll help with sourcing… I did. I quit for months because I spent more time grinding bs “gameplay”. And, everyone that I know that plays wow did too. We went and played Heroes, Overwatch, etc. So yeah, that’s me and around 100 others, give or take 5 people.
Games are meant to be fun, Not a “Grindfest” – which, you can’t tell me that doing recycled quests as dailies, is fun… Because it’s not. And, that is the point of the original post.
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I get it.
Most of us know that Bethesda often has a poor reputation for its gaming decisions, which those of us who have played Blizzard games over the years can sort of understand. But with Elder Scrolls Online they have continued to provide an excellent game experience with a huge story and regular big content patches and expansions that add even more content to the game. You can check out their list sometime to see just what a sub to the game gets you. And even if you buy it and play free to get a feel for it, its still a very entertaining game. It can very easily get a person hooked into handing over a credit card to pay for a sub for all the free DLC (downloadable content) that comes with it, apart from the expansions (or Chapters).
They have learned, after a rocky start, that to tempt people into continuing to play, they need to keep giving them fun things to do. It has flaws, don’t get me wrong, but they learned from the poor beginning and try to give players what they want and need to keep their loyalty. And its interesting that during all the times I’ve played it, I never felt like I was grinding. The story grabs you and pulls you along so it doesn’t feel like a chore at all.
Blizzard needs to lift its game - if Bethesda can do that and it can’t, then there is something seriously wrong.
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yes, i’m feeling this right now.
me and a friend are trying to do some ranked pvp but, we need ilvl…this ilvl will come doing m10+ , heroic raids and upgrading the cape…for a PVP player , that’s really BS.
It’s a gring inside a gring inside another grind, just to get equiped to go to pvp to do more grind, at last pvp is fun for us because some moments are unique in the arenas or bgs…but even on pvp, there is a huge problem on balances…well , it’s the life, what can we do ?
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12 hrs?
Childs play
try 16 hours +
1 player out of millions of players.
2 if you count OP.
1 player out of millions you mean millions of players who left right?
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Honestly that is what a lot of forum dwellers seem to want, so have at er! I am glad Blizzard has decided to cater to a fraction of the playerbase.
Personally as a casual, I am done grinding for tablescraps. Its even more obvious in patch 8.3 that the direction of this game is now cemented in exploiting OCD addictions.
This actually frees me up to do fun things in the game for at least a little bit before I get bored. Their scope is so different what I want that outside of the intro quest there is no way I am bothering with anything in 8.3. I can’t even tell you what the new reps are called, and I don’t care.
I question anyone who finds these tedious grinds fun, but hey to each there own. Maybe it will work out for Blizzard, but I am sure as hell not doing it.
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WoW has nothing on grind compared to eastern mmos
Just because you could grind until your heart’s content with no time gating in Wrath doesn’t mean there was no grind. The issue today isn’t actually the grind, in and of its self. It’s that the grind is time gated and singular in nature.
Back in Wrath (and frankly, every expansion before and after until the end of Mists when they started taking the options away), if you wanted to grind out rep, you could…
- Do dailies every day.
- Wear your tabard and run dungeons until your eyes bled.
- Kill mobs in areas where that rep was active.
- Any combination of those things (and I’m sure I left some out).
Today if you want to grind rep, you can…
- Do WQs.
- Mission table
- Hmm… Welp… That’s about it. And they are time gated.
You could grind your way, at your pace, doing whatever you wanted. We had choices. Which is something the Devs today love to talk about all while taking choice away.
We had a lot of grinds in every expansion. The difference, what made them feel less “grindy” back then, is that we could grind however we wanted where as today we can only grind the way the devs say is okay and only as fast as they allow.
As far as raid mats go, the issue also isn’t that they have always needed to be gathered (a grind as well), it’s that the main ones are so limited in the world since most are now “rare spawn”. Gathering mats has always been a “grind”, it just wasn’t also super frustrating.
To try to claim that grinds haven’t always been around is rather disingenuous. We’ve always had grinds, they just haven’t always felt so “grindy”.
Blizzard releases Tier 1000 with random procs that pull from a list of cosmetic enhancements.
Blizzard: See? Now you have tier armor again. Hope you’re happy.
Gojjira: …
I went from a fresh 80 to raid ready in about a week in wrath, and then mostly geared from said raid in two. On this character. It was, in my opinion, the best expansion. 8.3 is absolutely a full time job to compete at higher levels in m+, or to mythic raid.
Lots of folks like to argue you don’t need that for heroic raiding and lower, and while that is absolutely 100% true in scenarios where everyone is fairly skilled in said raids, when you’re carrying a few folks / friends, it pays to be as effective as possible. In non-meta setups or less than ideal raid setups being another 10-20% more effective is a big deal too even for us lowly mortals who don’t compete at the Method/Limit level.
Actually no I would prefer having something to do for months on end
I wouldn’t get too cut up about it.
When Shadowlands comes out, none of this will matter. Every xpac invalidates the one before now so nothing really matters.
It is tempting to treat it like a srs bsns do or die event where you can fall behind and be rendered useless from here on out.
But the patch is just a chew toy for the time between now and the new xpac. When it gets here all this will be useless.
So take your time I guess.
I don’t even have the legendary cloak. That questline will remain untouched by me forever and ever lol.
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Checking back in after some time. I’ve gotta say the state of this game is the most alt-unfriendly Grind fest that I have ever seen in WoW. If you are trying to play more than one character I can confirm it is a Full time job. Already laughing about them saying shadowlands is going to be alt friendly when they give us this crap for 8.3
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