A grind is a grind to me. That’s just my opinion though.
I got no beef with a grind. I got beef with the complete redesign of the game every major patch now. 8.2 new trait system. 8.3 30 more new systems that confuse and make no sense to me.
Ps I like beef.
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The inverse relationship with increasing alt-unfriendliness and sub-numbers shows that there is at least some degree of correlation, implying this measure is accurate.
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It’s a good thing then that Shadowlands is virtually making it the most alt-friendly game since Cataclysm.
If you want you can stop farming everything, transfer to Dalaran, come to Goldshire, and enjoy another gameplay
MoP and WoD were extremely alt friendly. Probably the most alt friendly. Both lost millions of subs. So, no?
it actually is mandatory content if you want the best weapons on some classes for most of the entire game
Does this mean you like ground beef, Grummle?
(sorry couldn’t resist!)
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A classic post hoc fallacy.
If you are a current player 8.3 is pretty great. If you are like myself a returning player you question why you even came back.
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So you complain WoW about being hard and time-taking in actual version? Try to play classic, you will see the real time taking and gear grinding
I wouldn’t call extremely long, grindy, time-gated, rng drop legendary quests very alt friendly. Just 1 instance of bad RNG with the quest drops guaranteed another week of waiting to be able to do the next part of the time-gated quest chain. Even in the final content patches many alts got screwed over by RNG and had to wait an additional week every step to continue to the next step.
Then there was the infamous “earn 4k valor points” step of the pandaria quest chain that took a minimum of 4 weeks of capping valor for every alt. That seems extremely alt-unfriendly to me.
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Oh really sherlock? It’s almost like whatever opinion there is, it’s just an opinion. Flying, LFR, alts, mains, mythic raiding, keys, pandas, everything, literally everything is both liked and hated by players.
There was never and will never be a consensus on what this game should be. To argue that sub numbers went up or down because the game was alt friendly is ludicrous. It ignores so much that its crazy.
You all need to stop pretending that if blizzard just made the changes you want, that 14 million people would play this again.
This game’s playerbase went down because mmos stopped being the most popular. Gaming moved on to mobas, card games, battle royals and is now going into 3d/ vr.
See above, that is your opinion. Other people claim otherwise. It’s all opinion.
Hmmm. I didn’t “detect” or “deduce” anything, I just pointed out a logical fallacy.
Lol well played good sir
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Psst: I’ts good ma’am. 
Okay loser lol
I’m loving the content! it’s not blizzards fault you left the game to come back with a lot of stuff to do?
It is now Friday and I have finally unlocked the cloak on three characters. I am going to lose my mind try to keep all three of them from falling behind on visions and rep!
God so much this. I wish I had a like to give.