I am criticizing the story. It didn’t have to be this way where we’re fighting over redemption or death.
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i can 100% agree with that statement
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True. But the opposite is true also (making Horde players go through a Garrosh 2.0 is insulting cause why the hell are we paying the same amount of money for a plot we already played and that we know how it is going to end. And worse of all, that is worthless cause if it was worth of repeating one time, is worth of repeating a bunch of them… ergo giving us the message we can´t even keep characters in the Warchief position and God helps the poor one that ends up on that death trap.
Blizz wrote themselves in a corner, period. Managed to not only ruin Sylvanas´s characterization (I mean she was evil since forever I agree… but she used to have brains ffs, her current self is plain moronic), but the Horde and Alliance characterization too at the same time. No matter what they do, they are going to piss off players. it´s a colossal screw up if you ask me.
Maybe what some people say could happen (she giving the Horde a middle finger, leaving the Horde and going on her merry way with a band of loyal fanatics) could be the least hurtful path. This way this isn´t neither Garrosh 2.0 nor Kerrigan 2.0 (both are terrible). No Horde civil war that pisses off Horde players with a powerful Alliance dictating winner terms (like the potential induction of barf worthy replacements for Forsaken racial leader like Calia for example) nor Alliance players being humiliated with an end that elevates a psycho warmonger getting away with her horrible crimes against them cause “muh saviour!!!” facepalm-worthy narrative.
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![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
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Talanji’s dialogue mentioned a new advisory council, so I did a bit of digging in Wowhead’s database and found who they are.
No surprise Loti and Raal are still on the council given that they were the only members of the old one to not side with Zul, and there are three new members.
General Rakera. Again no surprise since we knew about her promotion from the 8.1 PTR. Presumably she took over General Jak’re’zet’s job, which was kind of open.
Jo’nok, Bulwark of Torcali: Completely new character, given his title he’s a servant of the Direhorn Loa and given his associated voicefiles is certainly the Dire Troll representative.
Lashk: This one is my favorite. He’s one of the Tortollans who help Talanji and co in the events of Nazmir. Ends up carrying around the reincarnated Torga on his head.
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Repeating a fail argument doesn´t make it less fail, Treng. Agree to disagree and move on.
I rested my case: no blackmail when the “blackmailed” was the one that actually dictated the terms of the “blackmailing” in the first place.
Would personally love to see her vanish out of thin air(possibly by turning out to be a Dream-Being manifested into the physical realm by random a sleeping entity) as well(preferably at the exact moment Nazjatar rises from the Deep).
I also want her to be confused by what’s happening only to realize that she is going to randomly cease to exist and that nothing not even the Valkyr can save her.
Imo, the only reason I think a “Horde Civil war” is a popular topic is because there’s one in the playerbase, there very likely would not be one on the Horde in game.
Even the Forsaken I think won’t stand by Sylvanas now that she is breaking their defining trait of free will if she goes even further than what she’s already done.
It didn’t fail, though. It defeated the points of your argument. There are reasons to do things you don’t like to do. But you’re trying to paint a black and white scene when it isn’t one.
You’re wrong.
Deal with it.
You’d think killing people would be the ultimate subversion of their freewill, but Zelling helps the Horde kill Kul Tirans all over the place. I don’t see why Derek is what sets him off.
Also, people aren’t mentioning that someone else is called out for being a traitor there. I’m interested to see who that is.
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It’s Forsaken culture, important thing is that it’s consistent for them. Not trying to moralize it for any other race.
Actually, I think that’s a different Forsaken, not Zelling. Sylvanas accuses him and then someone else speaks up. Probably Lilian?
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Sylvanas I think very clearly speaks these lines: “ * I have troubling news. It seems there are traitors in our midst.
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Most of you need fear nothing.
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But Derek Proudmoore didn’t flee to Kul Tiras by himself. He had help. Didn’t he…
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… Zelling?”
Right after this is:
“ * Stop! … I returned Derek Proudmoore to his family.”
To me that is clearly a 3rd person stepping in to take the blame so Zelling isn’t wrongfully accused. (Though he’ll probably die anyways)
I’m willing to bet it’s Baine.
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I don’t think so. She very likely is addressing a lot of people at once and are very likely all Forsaken. As a major leader Baine would not be in a lineup with a bunch of others.
And there is also this line: “ * You raised him as a Forsaken. But you planned to deny him his free will. To violate his mind.” I think only another Forsaken would recognize the importance of that to their culture. And is something that Lilian brought up when she made Zelling a Forsaken.
For that matter, I think only a Forsaken is ok with raising someone from death and whoever is speaking isn’t concerned with that. But the fact that Derek didn’t have free will.
Good for him. He was great.
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Well, I would be. I don’t want to see her redeemed, but seeing her get raid boss’d seems just as bad, and both would feel like cop-outs for the story
Coming from the people that told us how the burning of Teldrassil came to be would be surprising doesn’t bode well for this either.
My faith at zero. No spell they cast will affect my doubts!
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Would be funny if she turned into 3 Raid Bosses(at the hour of her third death)… Sometime after randomly disappearing into thin air thus preventing Horde Civil War. Her disappearance can easily be her being a dreaming Eldritch Abomination that the Void fears waking up!
The Raid Boss version of Sylvanas can be treated by the Player Character as either the real Sylvanas awakened into her true form or a fake taking advantage of her disappearance depending on their loyalties(to Saurfang or to Sylvanas).
Because I’ve seen people overreact to it, the dialogue about Talanji saying the Zandalari are equals isn’t in response to anything Sylvanas says or does.
Talanji demands Sylvanas to go to her throne when she offers her loyalty and says they’ll be equals, which has Sylvanas go “Equals?” and Talanji explains, which then leads to Sylvanas saying “Very well.”
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Still here. Barely.
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