60 ilvl of titanforging? Seriously?

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

I don’t wanna replace my mythic gear with anything from world quests or invasions that take 2-3 minutes (invasions maybe 5) compared to how long it takes to progress

So you must not like it when we go to a new expansion, since it is essentially the same thing. Mythic raid gear replaced by easy quests out in the open world.

It is expected and reasonable when another expansion drops for you to start progressing again. It’s how expansions work, it’s just a reset.
That aside, it’s the reverse anyway. We are talking about prior trivial rewards devaluing later challenging content rewards, the situation you identified however assumes you already had the challenging rewards instead.

Titanforging is trivializing

epeen
It trivializes epeen.

And nothing else.

You might want to look at getting those engineering goggles adjusted, they appear to be obstructing your view of anything aside from your own opinionated views.

[Poju-wyrmrest-accord (Poju)]

There is a simple fix to this. Instead of calling the random number generator repeatedly to determine whether there are multiple forges, call it only once, and use that single random number to look up the level of forging based on the precalculated chances of each level of forging. For example, if the chance of each level of forging is 30%, don’t call the random number generator once per level, checking if the result is less than 0.30 each time; instead, call it once, and if the result is less than 0.30, it forges, if it’s less than 0.30 squared, which is 0.09, it double forges, if it’s less than 0.027, it triple forges, etc.

This seems like it would be much more efficient, too (from a programming standpoint), since it’s not repeatedly calling a subroutine.

Good stochastic analysis.

[Morvoth-tichondrius (Morvoth)]

And why is this an issue? There is a slot he doesn’t even have to think about. So again, how is this an issue?

[Morvoth-tichondrius (Morvoth)]

How are the rewards shallow? I’m pushing mythic content and it is very satisfying downing a boss, regardless of gear thats dropped outside that raid. Its amazing how people complain about getting ONE or TWO pieces of forged gear and think it breaks gameplay/design. Its ridiculous. Then all of you act like its something that occurs on a daily basis or even weekly basis. Since the expansion dropped, I have gotten one ridiculous titanforge and a few 5ilvl warforges. It didn’t change how I played the game or made me any worse or better.

How YOU play the game dictates how well you play it, not gear. Never seen so many ungrateful brats complaining about whats deserved and what isn’t.

[Kypookins-baelgun (Kypookins)]

Not 60, or would it be?, but I just did ivus and got:

Knot of Ancient Fury

Heroic Titanforged, 420!

Gratz us!

I love this stuff!

[Mystified-zuljin]

I think the Ivus trinket was buffed to 400 baseline in 8.1. So a 20 item level Titanforge…kind of high, but not anything none of us have seen before.

[Tiekfu-hyjal (Tiekfu)]

what i dont like about the current system:

i like to raid. i like working as a team to defeat bosses. i havent been a high end raider in years, but i always get through heroic with my guild. at the end of the uldir tier, the highest item level character in my guild was a semi retired player who doesnt raid, doesn’t do pvp, and rarely does any mythic plus.

wrong or right this makes me feel like whats the point of raiding. i still do it because i enjoy raiding with my guild, but for many people i know the current system is slowly wearing them down and people are disconnecting from the game. which is sad.

i like having a clear character progression, not this completely random loot box system. give me something to WORK toward, not an endless stream of slot machines.

[Kynaring-cenarius]

During Legion, I got one crazy titanforge on my gear across all tons. So far during BFA I’ve gotten one crazy TF, so it’s looking like it’s one crazy TF on average per expansion, which is not bad at all.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

I see a couple possibilities for what’s going on. Either the chances of an additional 5 ilvl of forging goes up with the increasing levels of forging, which seems a really bad idea. Or, there’s a bug in the algorithm.

Or, and this is a wild theory, you just got lucky. You getting a TF piece does not mean the system is broken.

Good for casual noobs critting titanforge on wq weapon drops, makes Mythic raiders feel good hey.

Nice story, except weapons can’t TF.

It definitely needs to be toned down.

It was already significantly toned down with BFA, but that’s still not good enough for some people.

Thing is though that’s not my argument as to why I think it needs to be toned down. But the point you’re trying to make out to be false actually happens in BFA.

Except it’s never actually happened. People like you just make vague claims that it has happened, but never bring any real proof.

And I’m aware of Mythic + too. I’m all for alternate paths. But getting a Mythic ilvl piece of gear from trivial content just felt bad to me.

Then don’t do trivial content. Sounds like this is a “you” problem, not a game problem.

I do love how everyone spins it into “You don’t like other people getting high gear” when people say anything negative about WF/TF or getting cache/quest rewards for ridiculous ilvls.
Have you ever thought the it might be the player not enjoying “themselves” getting the inflated gear?

Because most of the time that’s what it boils down to. They hate the idea that some casual player might get a good piece of gear from playing the game the “wrong” way.

If the system were working as intended, our orc warlock friend would be correct that people shouldn’t be able to gear to mythic ilvl without doing mythic level content. As our human hunter friend points out, in fact a fair number of people did get to mythic ilvl by the end of the last patch without doing mythic level content. That again suggests that the titanforging system is not working as intended.

But the system is working as intended because that Jalen is wrong about how common TF is and there is no documented proof of casual players reaching Mythic raiding levels. You are just another Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

Maybe it’d be a good idea to not start off with “are you the kind of player that only cares about things he can lord over others?”

Its part of the gimmie gimmie gimmie entitlement culture that is pervasive in society. Now that Blizzard has opened the flood gates its never going back, they have to pander to people who believe they are entitled to equality of outcome regardless of the work required to get there. They dont care that stuff like this only hurts the game. Once the game becomes so boring that everyone leaves they will just discard it and move to the next game where they will whine until they get what they want in that game to just repeat the cycle.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

Now that Blizzard has opened the flood gates its never going back, they have to pander to people who believe they are entitled to equality of outcome regardless of the work required to get there.

Except that’s not what TF does. Especially after they heavily nerfed it in BFA.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

It isnt just titan forging its a culmination of the gearing system in the game at this point. Spamming mythic+ will grant you a bunch of warforged 400s, in 8.1.5 we will have heroic ilvl emissary rewards which is when you will start seeing people start to climb higher than heroic raiding ilvls who have never done a mythic+10 or a heroic raid. The previous tier ilvl available on trivial content the day after a 4 month patch cycle and much higher a week later.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

I actually think it would have been better to cap the forging at specific levels and make it more prevalent rather than restrict it. Then everyone would have them instead of just lucky people, or people who spam so many mythic+s the odds go up.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

Spamming mythic+

Casuals aren’t doing M+, especially not on a level to spam them for 400+ gear.

in 8.1.5 we will have heroic ilvl emissary rewards

Where was this stated? And it’s not like Emissaries hand out gear rewards all that often to begin with.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

Casuals aren’t doing M+, especially not on a level to spam them for 400+ gear.

Yeah they are, they are just spamming lower level keys. Also, the term casual is subjective. I consider myself pretty casual about it.

Where was this stated? And it’s not like Emissaries hand out gear rewards all that often to begin with.

Historical data because thats how they did it last time I assume they will do it again.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

Yeah they are, they are just spamming lower level keys.

Which greatly reduces their chances of getting 400+ gear.

Historical data because thats how they did it last time I assume they will do it again.

So you’re just making things up. They only increase world quest rewards with a new raid tier. We aren’t getting a new raid tier in 8.1.5. Therefore your concern is unwarranted.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

Its amazing how people complain about getting ONE or TWO pieces of forged gear and think it breaks gameplay/design. Its ridiculous. Then all of you act like its something that occurs on a daily basis or even weekly basis.

What it breaks is progression, both the sense of it, and the reality. I can loot the hardest boss in the expansion so far on the highest difficulty and have that drop not be worth anything because I got lucky in the titanforging lottery and have a piece that beats it by 10 i-levels and has a socket and leech. Oh, and I got it from killing crabs and seagulls, guiding a turtle through a simple maze, and playing a card matching game - and none of those activities posed any threat whatsoever to my character.

It’s not about stroking my (non-existent) epeen, and I don’t give a flying crap what your gear is. I’m not trying to “punish” casuals. There should be a cap on gear that forges. 10 i-levels would be perfect and it would be nice to bring back the valor system for something tangible to work toward. That way you can still get your nice surprises when you get an upgraded item level, but it’s not really going outside your progression.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

So you’re just making things up. They only increase world quest rewards with a new raid tier. We aren’t getting a new raid tier in 8.1.5. Therefore your concern is unwarranted.

No they dont, they increase it in the .5 catch up patch. How do you think people were getting 370ilvl rewards from emissaries prior to 8.1? 370 was heroic ILVL prior to 8.1.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

No they dont, they increase it in the .5 catch up patch. How do you think people were getting 370ilvl rewards from emissaries prior to 8.1? 370 was heroic ILVL prior to 8.1.

They increased azerite gear from emissaries as a stopgap measure due to complaints about acquiring azerite gear.

Also, you needed to be nearly at 370 average item level to see 370 azerite gear from emissary quests. It wasn’t something that just showed up as soon as you dinged 120.

So again, they are not going to increase emissary rewards with 8.1.5. They will increase them again after 8.2 goes live.

[Epoch-azjolnerub (Epoch)]

Oh so they fixed the issue with acquiring azurite gear? I must have missed it somewhere.