No but why are raiders “special” what makes your time worth more then ours.
Raids are so 2006. time to move on.
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Muahahah.
The plan all along.
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Nobody’s time is worth more than others, yet you get far more gear than raiders do for doing easier and faster content.
If they double or triple the drop rate in raids, it will bring raiding more on par with M+ on a per-person and time-investment basis.
It still doesn’t account for raiding being harder, or that you get nothing during raid progression whereas M+ gives rewards even if you fail the timer (including raid-level gear at the end of the week).
But it would be a start.
Yet Blizzard won’t do it.
At much lower ilvl.
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Blizzard refuses to do anything to help raiding, and M+ players complain and point fingers anyway.
Then cry to blizzard not the players.
No true at all, I see people push high keys just for…the fun of it.
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I guess there you go, exclusive tier for 6 weeks.
Because for the first 10 weeks, Raiding is massively more rewarding than no lockout M+.
My DK still outgears my Hunter. How long as S4 been ?
Easy 304s from raid does that. My Hunter is never getting a 311 weapon.
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i still don’t understand how the delay is going to harm raiding in any way
raiders do both activities for the most part
just let people play the game imo 
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Not willingly, plenty of raiders hate M+ and only do it because they have to, since Blizzard won’t have reasonable drop rates from raids.
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that’s probably a very small minority of players even from that specific group…seeing as how retail raiders make up a very small amount of the active playerbase?
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And plenty of M+ players Mythic raid unwillingly, because gear progression hits a massive wall in M+ at the sub-Heroic raid ilvl.
I hadn’t personally seen how bad it could be until I decided to push M+ with a different toon than my Mythic raid toon. It’s been eye opening.
I mean 40% of the playerbase regularly clears Heroic, according to API data. I wouldn’t call that a very small amount.
One word “ego” . I could care less what people have as gear and where they get it. It does not affect me in any shape or form.
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i saw a popular WoW streamer pull up parses of retail raiding (all difficulties), and compared it to activities in Classic wow, and M+, and it wasn’t even close…it was worse at the highest levels of raiding too, which is a bad sign and hurts the case for raiding even more imo
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How many people do you know who run logs on Heroic raids?
Anyway, I’m gonna go with the actual API data, not what Johhny Streamer came up with.
more than you think? it was way more than mythic and normal so…
why do people think average/casual players don’t min max? lol ofc they run parses and care about this stuff…plus i don’t think heroic raiders want this 6 week delay either
iirc said streamer even compared SL parsing numbers it to previous tiers, and shadowlands raiding was absolutely behind bFA and legion…i’m sorry but raiding is just, a dying thing…
and the fact that we’re now discussing heroic raiding, tells me there’s absolutely 0 reason to implement any sort of change/system to appease to mythic raids, cuz it’s such a small fraction of the playerbase.
And only 20% of people who step into a key get KSM to unlock max level upgrades.
Seems keys are that required to raid after all uh ?
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No way to know if 40% raid we don"t know how many sub’s there are.
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Really don’t understand why raid, catalyst and LFR can’t just open all at the same time.
Like, who cares. Why does a significant portion of the playerbase have to wait?
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Raiders would get there sets quicker. 
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