Fine by me.
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Blizz makes the creation catalyst.
Everyone loves it but laments that it should have been available sooner.
Blizz says they’re “listening to feedback”.
Blizz makes a new creation catalyst for DF but makes people wait for it again.
People clailm blizz doesn’t listen.
Blizz: surprisedpikachuface.jpg
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Mythic+ exists.
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It seems like they are going the same route as they did in Sepulcher, where the raid was tuned under the assumption that raiders would have a 4 pc, but normal raiders couldn’t start getting theirs until 8 weeks out. Normal and heroic raiding were both down dramatically, with only 8500 normal raid completions (by non aotc guilds) in the entire game.
Are you sure that the result is going to be normal raiders doing hundreds of pulls while waiting for daddy blizzard to let them get the gear they need to kill bosses?
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Not raiding, does not need raid gear
Because idiots trot out the “you don’t do the content” when solo/casuals ask for either more content or better gear from content.
Personally, I think tier should be available for all content, at least via the catalyst and maybe vault, but if anyone who has used that stupid “you don’t do the content” argument against better solo/casual content/gear then complains about being locked out of tier till the catalyst is available because they don’t raid, then they deserve to have their trash thrown back at them.
Again, not talking about you, just the nature of some here on the forums.
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yes it does 
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It does not need raid gear, but only a fool or idiot would say it does not help
yes it does.
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Tier isn’t raid gear.
Because unlike M+, Primalists invasions can be done in leveling greens.
Literally every high end M+ player Mythic raids for gear.
Its not 6 weeks per upgrade. The catalyst wont be active until week 6. I am sure in the beginning it will be a 2 item upgrade min a week.
That’s literally what I said. 6 weeks is a pretty long time to make 1 pc of tier a week.
Read that again slowly this time.
You wait 6 weeks, it opens, then it has 1 charge per week.
It doesn’t, though, the design limit is +20 and those should be doable without raid gear.
The only reason you want raid gear is to go past the design limit for /eflex purposes. (Or to make things easier at or below the design limit, I suppose.)
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Early season, you’ll want Heroic+ raid gear to help push that.
Again, what are you even arguing for Brewa, this 6 week wait will also impact your raiders.
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I’ll concede that M+ NEEDS raid gear if it can be proven that a +20 (cap for any reward) is IMPOSSIBLE without raid gear. Otherwise I will admit it helps, it provides a boost, it covers weaknesses, etc. but it is not 100% needed.
Dude, you can clear Heroic raids without raid gear. WTF are you talking about.
No one is interested in struggling through a +20 that feels like a +25.
This is likely what lead them to keep the same timeline to 9.2. If you make the tier less important, where it’s not life or death like some specs were in 9.2, the timeline for acquiring it is far less important.
That said, 63 days from season open to the time you have enough catalyst for a full set feels a bit long. If they added Catalyst at 3 weeks that’s 42 days, which is still over a month, you could argue some players could or should unsub, especially PVP players. Raid and M+ are different, but not nearly as different as PVE and PVP. (Disclaimer: I have ZERO clue if tier is being disabled in PVP.)
Everything they have announced for DF so far is a step in the wrong direction for making M+ an equal endgame pillar to the others in regard to rewards. No cool Elite M+ transmog, no Catalyst improvement, no illusion, no new tier of Keystone level to hit for improved ilvl, really nothing so far.
I’d propose they make it so you can use 6 tokens from the Great Vault to purchase a Catalyst charge week 1. That way, you’re at least provided an option that falls firmly into the meaningful/prioritizing choice area. Do you want short term gear gains over long term? Tier power, or a 424 weapon/trinket? Etc.
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First: did you mean clear heroic raids without raid gear?
Second: The way some use “need” seems to be akin to they can’t do it at all without that gear, even I admit it makes it easier in some way, but it CAN be done in lesser gear/
Yet it is fine for solo players to struggle through content that feels like a normal or heroic raid because they are unable to get the gear they “need” to progress in such, note talking about things like visions and Torghast here, not world content.
Gee, what is one argument against better gear from solo/casual content or harder solo/casual content to get gear? oh yeah, “if you want the gear, do the content”. If people want tier gear before the catalyst is open, then they should raid. If they are unwilling to raid, then they should stay out of topics at least asking for harder solo/casual content for better gear.
Again, I am not saying the delay is a good idea, I think it is a bad one, just more commenting on the hypocritical nature of those that use certain arguments when it supports them, yet the moment it does not, they try and say why it is different, well, guess what, it is the same argument at the core.
Yes. Fixed.
Dude, no one struggles through solo content, stuff just melts.
Which is why I said talking about things like Torghast and visions, not world content, I.E. content that can be done solo or as a group.
Stuff does just melt in world content, aside from world bosses, so I will concede that.
It is just I have seen arguments for things like Torghast to drop gear, yet some people think it is “fine” to push the ones that just want to do Torghast into raid for the gear they want (or “need”) for Torghast yet the moment they feel “forced” to do content they don’t like for gear they want, they complain up a storm.
Of which there’s none in DF.
Stop derailing the thread, this isn’t about the war on casuals that doesn’t even exist.