You still won’t see my keys in Group Finder, because I put a 2600 req on them.
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No, but I do see keys of your range in the group finder.
You really can’t accept the L can you ? It would be so much easier on your beat up dignity.
So upset because we don’t have the same definition of high.
I know you are. Next time, pays to read when people constantly talk about running M+ on their Hunter, when you try armory trolling.
Shocking that the world doesn’t revolve around you, and you aren’t that important to other people.
You also talk about your hunter like an alt, and how it doesn’t have gear.
It is an alt. Do you see any Mythic raid kills on it ?
Look dude, anytime you want to just stop posting and drop it, I’ll respect that and let you go with your dignity intact. You should stop digging.
What game are we playing …
The lenghts some people go to defend this is pretty weird.
Still waiting for the argument “Just be grateful that they’re implementing a Catalyst anyway, they don’t have to do this”.
Not the only ones who have said this in these recent threads.
No, it just didn’t. If that’s your assertion then we’re never going to agree on that.
My guild didn’t wait 12 weeks to raid until people got tier. We cleared 2, maybe 3 bosses the first weekend we could get into the raid. Were we going to clear Halondrus, Anduin or Jailer? Probably not, but we weren’t going to clear those guys WITH tier that early in the raid cycle. And if we had, that would mean we cleared the raid right out of the gate, and then what? What were we supposed to do for the next 6 months?
As for the legendaries, tier availability had nothing to do with the ability to build or equip legendaries. That was locked behind (a) gold, (b) Torghast and (c) the Zereth Mortis storyline. And all three of those things were directly controllable by the player.
Nobody, and I mean NO-body, got “pushed out of raiding” because of Catalyst, and no one will get pushed out of raiding in Dragonflight because of it, either. If people can’t get through DF raids, it will be the same reason millions of others haven’t gotten to raid immediately since Vanilla dropped: They’re either not in a raiding guild and thus don’t have a guaranteed slot, or they can’t make progress in a pug either due to their own abilities or the abilities of the other people in their pug raid.
Not on Mythic though.
Are we really marking the relative success of raids to whether mythic can be cleared on day one? Because if that’s the standard, it’s a pretty shoddy standard.
True bleeding-edge, elite raiders are the only people who have ever done that or anything close to that, and none of them – absolutely none – are pug groups. They are all premade groups, full of professional or pseudo-professional gamers.
Also, original point was that people were getting pushed out of raiding due to the Catalyst timeline/schedule. It didn’t push the elitists out of the world-first race, either.
Dude, the point is clearing 2-3 bosses with no tier on Normal isn’t the feat you think it is.
RWF raiders killed Vigilant Guardian with 18 people having 4pc and 2 people having 2pc. That’s how geared the Mythic bosses required you to be to even be in Mythic week 1. Sepulcher was an insane raid.
But not on Heroic or Normal. Because those difficulties are trivial. When people say “we had to delay our raid progression to get tier in Season 3”, they mean Mythic.
Ours was heroic, not normal, but I’m fine with you saying that’s trivial because again – that’s not what the original assertion was.
The original assertion I was responding to was that the Catalyst schedule “pushed people out of raiding.” Ok, prove it. Get me interviews/quotes from people who were pushed out of raiding. Until then, it’s a silly strawman and I’ll continue to call it such.
Delaying a WF kill on mythic because people didn’t have tier yet is a separate issue. I would say that perhaps it was intentional to do so, in order to create buzz around the race. If so, that’s entirely Blizzard’s prerogative to do so. Still didn’t “push anyone out of raiding.”
We can have a debate whether the artificial roadblocks Blizzard used in SL were good for the world-first race, but that’s not limited to Catalyst: Crafters had to learn legendary recipes, legendaries then crafted, Torghast run for ash/cinders, the “right” trinkets acquired, covenant system changed to allow at-will swapping based on the fight, then the questline to obtain/equip double legendaries, the 246 relic gear for tier catch-up, etc., all of which predated Catalyst being accessible – all of that, from S1 to S4, is part of the raiding and content architecture for the whole xpac. Other xpacs had similar systems. MoP had the Wrathion cloak, Legion had artifact power, etc.
Point being, there’s nothing new under the sun, and having Catalyst on a rollout schedule didn’t chase people out of raiding. In the grand scheme of everything we’ve seen in raiding over the last decade and a half, Catalyst is a very small drop in a very large bucket. One that, in this case, affected a microscopic percentage of raiders overall.
Dude, no one is going to try to get you interviews with anyone. Get over yourself.
Delaying the catalyst hurt raiders in S3, and now people have had a taste of it. Of course they are going to be pissed that Blizzard is keeping course, remembering what happened in Sepulcher.
Raider burn out is at an all time high. You want proof ? I don’t care enough to try to convince you because you don’t even raid Mythic anyway, so there’s no point in discussing it with a casual raider that doesn’t have any experience in the high end sphere.
I would be more fine with this is they opened lfr with all wings. But the chances of getting tier are horrible in vault. If mythic plus dropped tier pieces then it might be different as well.
The catalyst is the only way of getting tier soloing. And lfr is heavily time gated for like no reason.
They still really haven’t announced loot for M+. They said it would come later. I’m guessing their decision might be super boneheaded if they’re scared of publicizing them, but we might be surprised and find out Tier is added as extra items to all dungeons.
Yea I have noticed a pattern lately of blizz adding bad news close to launch. I would wager something bad is going to happen to mythic plus loot. That’s my pessimism talking. But I hope I am wrong.
Group loot is like already a loot nerf, for example and many people seem to be ok with that.
Season 3 I had to run all my 20s without 4pce as a resto shaman because my luck was so bad early season. It was pure hell.
I really don’t want to repeat that experience.