I’m rolling “coordination” and “skill” into the same bucket here, because ultimately they present in the same way over the course of a match.
But yes, that’s a distinct possibility, and probably the most reasonable explanation for this stark difference in performance between regions.
Yea we are. I am not going to take your word for the fact that people in Asia are doing whatever you claim they are doing and am more than willing to bet that you are misrepresenting any actual facts.
The only irrefutable fact is that horde players access the map at a much faster rate, at every objective; by every measurable view than alliance players do.
There is
Z e r O
Pvp skill involved in AV. Absolutely none.
It’s the map. Horde win rates show that to be the single largest issue facing AV. AV is the last hope for casual pvp and you as a horde player should hope Blizz nerfs your starting zone because Alliance just aren’t interested in giving you free wins.
Bro I never expect someone on the internet to take my word. That’s why I provided the screenshot to back my claim.
I even provided his Taiwanese WCL profile, and his NA WCL profile when the fact that the SS was localized in English was questioned.
I’m fairly positive I’ve done my end in terms of burden of proof, but if you want to stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to accept that any perspective but your own is feasible, then this conversation isn’t productive, and there’s no point continuing it. Cheers mate.
Tl;dr
I Had to produce a screenshot of a single player’s experience from across the globe to attempt to bolster a bad argument.
Further, I can produce screen shots, forum posts, and logs that are extremely more numerous showing that yea
Horde enjoys a map advantage.
If you can’t understand the point being raised in bold, I can’t really help you.
The fact that a million others are not experiencing a thing, does not make what one person is experiencing impossible. Clearly it is possible. The question that needs answering is why.
If it can happen in Asia, it can happen in NA. That is what I am trying to get across to you. I cannot make this any more clear. I am not interested in getting in a pissing match and chest pounding about “muh faction so much better than yours lolololol”.
If you stopped being so defensive for a second, and actually read my posts in this thread, you’d realize I never once made that assertion.
Chill. Read. No one enjoys a lopsided match. I am literally here trying to give Alliance in NA hope, that wins ARE possible in the current meta, and you’re over here trying to argue that no, there is in fact no hope unless the map changes.
Come on now.
Instead of waiting for Blizz to do something that in all likelihood never happen, it might be more productive to figure out what they’re doing in Asia, and do the same here.
The OCE statistic is meaningless without any sort of context. What strategy do horde/alliance use? How many active AVs are there on OCE realms throughout the day? Does it only happen during certain times? What is the faction representation in the queue? Do you have to take language based matchmaking into account?
There’s so many factors that need to be accounted for that pointing to a screenshot of wins doesn’t really tell much of a story other than alliance were winning. We all know alliance CAN win but how does that help the current discussion without even knowing how they achieve it?
No no no, alliance has never won an AV in the history of the world. The map and racial imbalances are too strong because Blizz devs are all horde and hate the alliance. To say that alliance COULD win when full battlegrounds of coordinated groups actually try to win undermines the entirety of the victim complex that alliance needs to feel validated. It cannot be due to a difference in coordination of effort, it has to be something alliance cannot control.
That is exactly my point. The “how” is what needs answering here.
That OCE can do a thing, proves the thing is possible.
The question becomes how does NA emulate that thing, to change the dynamic of the current NA landscape.
There seems to be some confusion as to my motivations behind sharing that screenshot.
Perhaps because I am Horde people assume I am defending lopsided wins, and holding up that SS as a banner that all is well.
I AM NOT.
I am literally just trying to show, that wins CAN be achieved in the CURRENT meta, POST premade nerf.
How this comes to be, and whether the same strategy/methodology can be adopted in NA remains to be seen, but I leave that to brighter minds than my own to figure out.
Do we? Honestly based on some of these forum threads, I genuinely believe there is a not-insignificant portion of the Alliance player base that actually do believe that a loss is a foregone conclusion, and a win literally is not possible under the current meta.
According to these die-hard defeatists, this is the primary reason why so many go AFK or start leeching as soon as the gates open.
What makes you think the meta AV strategy is exactly the same in every region? I can use the infamous russian horde premades as an example. They will always rush vann and attempt a 7 min win. Asian servers have a high population of alliance which gives horde instant queue times and many games they will just allow alliance to run right through and capture IBGY uncontested. I’ve spoken with EU alliance players and they’ve told me if they hold SHGY for 30 mins the horde will just let them have IBGY and both sides with just PVE race.
It’s hard to draw comparisons because different regions have different circumstances/metas.
Except we already know alliance premades can beat horde pugs. If that’s what your screenshot represents, you’ve brought nothing new to the forum.
Sure. Did we know that alliance premades were still a thing though?
I’m fairly certain most didn’t. Can they be brought back here?
That certainly appears to be a new topic of discussion worth exploring, but what do I know, I’m not the one who needs the W’s.
This is exactly what you are interested in.
You mistake dismissive for defensive.
You are literally here posting in a passive aggressive manner the most transparent, albeit wordy version of “git gud.”
No one said Alliance can’t win. We said that we have to work exponentially harder than you do for the same rewards you get due to the map.
You are the only person who believes this. You are attempting to make the claim that data that supports your view is more valid than the staggeringly more massive amount of data that refutes your view.
You are also taking a shot at really a really large amount of psychological analysis that you clearly aren’t qualified for.
Whelp, there it is. Guess there’s no hope after all. Better just throw in the towel and hope Blizz will change the entire layout of a zone in a museum piece of a game client that was finished 15 years ago.
Cheers bud!
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You mean like they did with the queue numbers?
Yikes. Are we comparing the relative effort required to remove the display of a single number in a text box vs actually rearranging an entire map?
But by all means, keep holding out hope that Blizz will take action and keep refusing to try to find a solution on your own (even though OCE already has, per my original argument).
That defeatist attitude will for sure get you the W’s you crave.
So not only are you a psychologist able to tackle the psychoanalysis on millions of people to come to the conclusion the issues surrounding AV aren’t as simple and easily resolved as “fix the map”
You are also a designer and programmer here to disparage and dissect various efforts required for various facets of AV.
K
I am, actually. I can tell you for a fact, that removing a line of code that corresponds to the display of a number in a closed text box, is objectively a much simpler task, then shifting assets around a an entire playing field.
Even if I weren’t a developer though, it really shouldn’t require professional credentials to make that logical leap.
I honestly believe that the devs play mostly horde. Which is why they wont give us an even map to play on and the only way to win was premades. We all see how that worked out for us…
Give up guys, they have the game right where they want it and they don’t give 2 turds about even and fair gameplay
I still need to farm up my 5 60th, after that you guys can go ahead and take the winning back 
The whole thing looks weird to me, but in the end it doesn’t really matter. Just getting bogged down in details that aren’t going to make any difference anyway.
If Alliance in TW are pulling out a lot of wins I’d like to hear what their strategy is, what the Horde strategy is and what the win % looks like.