Haven’t posted on any alts today, sorry you’re in the minority again.
And that’s just all kicks in general, that’s not these super fringe examples being used where a kick happens, people vote no, and the kicker just keeps spamming votes to kick.
Those types of examples are so rare they’re literally not worth talking about.
I like the footprints thing. Unfortunately not all dungeons have clear pathing, and sometimes people do skips that could throw off newer players. The footprints idea shows you exactly where your team went.
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Hey I like this. Other games have a little sparkly path we can follow in new areas. And even WoW has had mist or fog or magical crap for us to follow to a quest site. Just toss in an option in accessibility for dungeon paths.
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I remember queuing in the early days of the Groupfinder - before the debuff - as a tank and it genuinely was not the horror show that everyone’s clutching their pearls over. If anything it was kinda fun not just to drop in and save a run, but if half the run was partially done that just meant you could wrap up, get your bag and be onto the next dungeon sooner.
If anything, incentivizing staying to finish a partial run with a bonus loot bag would do more to ease tank abandonment issues than the debuff.
But the WoW ‘community’ loves being spiteful so the debuff and the tank shortage will likely remain while better, less draconian solutions to the problem lazily float by in the distance.
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Blizzard says otherwise. Their data showed a very different story.
Fond memories of people abandoning Oculus at such a rate that blizzard had to tack on an extra reward bag with a chance at a mount which previously only dropped from a raid but only if you queued into that specific dungeon randomly just to entice people into completing it.
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You’re asking me to believe data I’ve never seen from a company that has only ever disingenuously communicated with its customers over my own lived experiences. That’s a big ask.
But even if we assume the data you’re talking about is bulletproof, a 30 min penalty tied to an easily abused vote kick system is the definition of a cop out. It’s not hard to come up with a better system, Blizzard simply doesn’t care to commit the resources to do it.
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For the last few year I’ve only voted no to kick requests. I’ve never been kicked for voting no, and I’ve only been kicked from a group a couple of times. Always something to do with my pet. Does it happen where people initiate vote to kick for kicks? Probably sometimes people are jerks. Does it happen every single time? Probably not, most people just want to get it done and waiting for a queue to put someone new back in can be annoying. More often than not it’s easier to just leave group on their own or just finish the run with the the person people want to kick.
green text blindly defending a bad design choice, again. no surprise there. the system is flawed and you know it.
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Forced? maybe i mean if they have all speed buffs/gems and someone is leveling an alt or is differently abled and doenst sprint like they do…as long as a person is making a reasonable effort to contribute they shouldnt be kicked esscpically if they alert the group at the start they are slower for medical reasons
this is a bad advice.
Ty! 
Yep, and the tech for footprints would be easy to adapt, due to things like those old “Walk in a circle” daily quests from the turtle dudes. So it should be an easy thing to implement.
I love doing the work that I do, and it’s trained my brain to think of solutions like this for games. I really hope Blizzard lets me take a crack at WoW someday. lol They do a great job already, to be fair, but there are lots of little easy tweaks like that that could help with big problems.
Accessibility options aren’t just for disabled people. The great ones are helpful for the standard playerbase as well.
Trolls are controlling VTK and Trolls are controlling premade BG. There is not much for players can do anything about it. Blizzard is letting Trolls do what ever they want to WoW. They only thing casual players can do is not join any pug groups. Stay far away from Trolls. Blizzard will have to create more solo content in the future.
why do ppl always bring out this argument every time?
if they dont like the dungeon, then let them drop.
You dont need them to keep running. Just do it. Jesus.
If people dont like the dungeon, then let people blacklist them. Take the L; not all dungeons are fun
Your trying to justify this, but you’re missing something here.
However, this is your opinion. Apparently others feel different.
We shall agree to disagree…and I will move on.
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Yeah, I’m not understanding how others can justify kicking for slowness and the such when some classes just don’t have the ability to go any faster.
I understand that person is an MVP, but their logic is extremely flawed.
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The word abuse has been abused.
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I mean, people have told you, and others, thousands of times: it’s on Blizzard to make the change. Obviously, it’s not an issue if they don’t care about it. And even if it was (it’s not), they still don’t care about it.
So what do you want to do about it? Would you rather sit here and argue with people about your opinion on whether it’s right or wrong and who is morally superior? Lmao.
How about this: you and people like you who want change could record your gameplay every day—videos of people randomly kicking you for no reason. Compile all that footage, full video gameplay of dungeons from start to finish. Post it on Reddit and get it upvoted.
No? Why not? Because it doesn’t happen? Or maybe it never happens as much as you and people like you claim it does? Oh, and maybe because 99.9% of the time, you and people like you are the real issue in the group? Got it.
And if I’m wrong, prove it—record your runs and show instances where they kick you for no reason, as stated above. The only other person who ever tried to prove how “toxic and abusive” WoW players are ended up proving they were the insane one, harassing an entire guild by whispering the people’s guild members after the dungeon was over.
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Errrr, there are definitely people who do.
It’s pretty rare. But there are definitely douchebags out there.
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There is no “abuse” for the vote kick.
Group members can vote to kick you for any reason they see fit. It is majority rules. Maybe you did nothing. Maybe you don’t know what you did. It’s not like the average random pugger is a beacon of effective communication…
Again though, there isn’t really abuse possible in this system as the group gets to vote, and if the majority want you gone, the reason doesn’t really even matter.
I’m going to assume this isn’t the response you were looking for or agree with, but it is what it is.