There are so many variables in keys that change from group to group that can massively affect overall so it really depends on the players/specs in the key. Like if you had a low burst AOE group and they could actually rain of fire ramp on the small spiders as result, and if they were getting PI on bosses and nobody else was hitting the adds on the bosses in SBG and they could get full duration havoc value. Or if a random dps dies on the subjugated soul pulls then they have free extra damage, etc.
Whereas take another group, that does a load of add damage on bosses and makes it hard for the warlock to get havoc value, and also blasts a lot of burst aoe, you’ll never see a destro lock top damage in SBG.
Tons of variables that can create huge swings on overall damage from key to key or group to group, so literally using 1 key as a example is meaningless.
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I don’t mind the DS nerf too much even though a 100% nerf is too much but the Dreadbite nerf sucks. Back to horrible ST damage i guess … maybe it’s just me but our AOE was not really broken. It was good but that’s about it.
Demo Nerf Hurt our ST and AoE greatly.
Aff Lock nerf is hitting our ST AND AoE greatly.
Locks are not holding any type of belt in M+, at all.
These are nerfs towards a Raid environment which has a huge impact on our M+ ventures.
These 2 need to be implemented if these nerfs come through.
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Stands to reason blizz would nerf my fresh 70 right after i got my starter gear for 70. This nerf just ganks the whole kit. Why would someone pick a talent that doesnt give them a power increase? If it is solely a playstyle choice it should be free. And the demo nerf makes no sense. Either they lied or they are blissfully unaware of their actions; and both of those options are scary.
Similar, but not at all the same. This talent is pretty much mandatory though right?
I think you need to check your data.
If you look at Terros, a ST fight. The top performer for affliction was 110k with 3 PIs. The top destruction warlock receiving PI, as well, is 100k. That is a 10% difference.
If you look at damage done to bosses data, affliction has been leading over destruction by a heavy margin.
If you need some assistance, I can lend a hand.
Terros - 10.0 just before the 10.0.7 patch - 90th percentile
Affliction ranked: 10th overall
Destruction ranked: 21th overall (4th from bottom)
10.0.7 Patch
Affliction ranked: 3rd
Destruction ranked: 7th
If I go to 100%/max precentile
Affliction - 1st as of 10.0.7
Destruction - 8th as of 10.0.7
I don’t know what you mean by destruction leading affliction on ST and AoE. So it looks like I was completely correct. I’ve also checked your wowlogs, so I’m not 100% sure where you are getting your data from either.
destro sims the best ST damage but on a fight like terros were you have to move a lot afflic takes over because destro cant handle heavy movement. in a bure stand still and nuke destro would be top
Sims as a 4K dps loss on raid bots in single target for aff….
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And AoE took a major turn for the worse and we’re not even over performing.
We need Dev feedback on the reason for these changes.
Granted, ST did need some adjustments, but these changes affected our AoE greatly and there is more content to this game then just Raid pushing.
Fix this mess.
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The rest of WoW Community will tell you that is a skill issue.
My toon is doing 20K dps less now. Thank you Blizzard. Do you really want people not to play demo? Beacuse this is the step you need to follow for that to happen. Our capstone abilities are lame! Our single target and now aoe damage is gimped. Our tyrant feels sad and hits less than our pets. Do you really hate demo players this much?
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Blizzard made a horrible mistake with these nerfs. It’s not fun to play now and I have been playing demo since 2008.
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I can testify it’s a pretty significant nerf.
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And looking into 10.1…from the shadows is being reworked…? Am I crazy, or didn’t they intentionally make FTS also interact with your demons–specifically the Tyrant? This is a very massive and extremely curve ball of a change if this goes live.
Dunno i parsed 92 in a AA 21 last week with 109.5k overall in the logs. While i realize i’m not a great player i’m at least fairly confident i’m a decent one. I’d say tonight i lost around 8-10k overall dps in SMBG and CoS. Maybe i would need to change my spec after the nerf dunno but so far it looks like a totally massive and disgusting nerf to me.
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The sad thing is anyone else this bad at their job would actually lose their job … but the Bliz devs keep on rolling with the wheels of absolute ineptitude.
Under the Great Ion the Moron each expansion just gets worse and worse.
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It’s supposed to make mobs take increased shadowflame damage. Tyrant deals shadowflame damage. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Correct, and if I am reading the rework correcty, it has now reverted to only increasing the player’s shadowflame damage.
Simming doesn’t matter because simming is your best output versus a target dummy with 0 scripts and best of possible luck, while never having to move.
Devs shouldn’t be balancing around what classes can do in an afk scenario, because when the classes actually have to perform there will be a lot of disruption.
The nerf gonna be bigger with movement imo cause DS and the dogs are some of the most reliable dps we have. You simply can’t **** it up it’s doing to be good no matter what. The imps and sb damage is less reliable. Your healer have to drink before the boss then **** to be you better luck next time. You are hit by mechanics multiple times in a row requiring you to move constantly then you’ll cast less HoG.
They buff the damage of wild imp and shadow bolt and then nerf two better ability in dreadbite and ds. It’s going to be a nerf overall and it wont even be close. Maybe a better spec will come out and be as good as the previous one was i’ll have to check it out but nerther portal and gwd felt terrible in keys tonight and it was very good before with a mix of good single and good aoe. I feel like taking guillotine will probably bring the same problem as before the single target will likely **** major ***. I’l try it out but having to try builds at this time of a season is not fun.