Talking about all bosses.
They significantly out gear the content - they have an average of 5 ilevles higher than most similar groups.
This is not a clear indicator of problem.
Talking about all bosses.
They significantly out gear the content - they have an average of 5 ilevles higher than most similar groups.
This is not a clear indicator of problem.
Fastest Kazzara kill, 1:44.
Compared to that meme run, 24 seconds.
And?
Doesnât change the fact that the meme group are still over geared compared to that group.
A 1:30 kill is still before the circle channel -
Moreover - these same people are not doing this in mythic - and they are all mythic players in pretty sure
Do you just not know how mythic lockouts work or something?
If you kill a boss in under a min - wouldnât you do that instead of waisting your lockout on a comp that will be more challenging to complete?
Youâve made the assumption that this is a problem with higher difficulties - with no evidence.
You donât ditch your guild to go run a meme raid with a bunch of other people youâre unlikely to play with again, even if itâs going to net you some quick kills on early to mid bosses. Especially because itâs quite clear going into this there are bosses this cheese wonât outright one shot, making them likely not possible such as Sarkareth and Echo.
The only evidence needed is that the scaling of the spec as you add more to a comp isnât linear. The cause of that is a few very specific and unnecessary interactions with breath of eons and ebon might, and the fix is removing those interactions which affects nobody but the people who would be doing this.
So the cheese doesnât work at higher levelsâŚ.
My point exactly
wouldnât work at levels people are willing to dedicate time to.
If they were willing to prog, Iâd wager a lot faster than a real guild on average.
Still betting meme comp = faster 9/9 clear, than a proper comp for the average guild. (If the average guild even gets CE at all.)
Is this relative when they put gear even the second place groups?
Now if they had lower item level where it was truly progression - youâd have a point
But that was never the point. Like ok sure you can use a lot of evokers and cheese a the first 7 bosses of the raid to death with zero skill or learning of mechanics required, if you somehow donât see that as a problem then let me continue.
This can be scaled down to achieve scaled down, but also problematic results. Sure you need 15+ evokers to kill a boss, how many do you need to skip a phase? 4? Thatâs a problem.
Not that many people have CE, (mine is on Rashok for reference.) Should have it down next week. But still I envision a meme comp progressing faster at this point. But not many people have geared evokers to pull it off or the inclination to learn how the spec works.
Still think that meme comp if left untouched will be the play in the next RWF or even in current prog. (Again, not all guilds have CE.) As for rounding up that many evokers and ones willing to progress, say a month until CE is attained, is a far harder challenge.
Oh, and nerfbat may happen, rendering it all meaningless.
There is no evidence of this.
Thatâs the problem.
Could it be a problem? Sure.
But this post doesnât actually show that it is a problem.
If they donât do anything to it, Iâd say a high chance a RWF guild wins with such a comp. Maybe only 4 people have legendary instead of all of them. Time investment, hedging bets.
People sell mythic clears - especially high end guilds.
Yet we havnt seen what you are claiming.
And people easily clear heroic, and this meme run didnât happen on day one. Itâs more rounding up willing people, (that have evokers.) And since mythic isnât a joke, drastically altering the comp for maybe a min faster kill time (if people have the characters) isnât really worth it.
Oh, and dread reprog to get all the timings worked out.
Youâre making a bunch of excuses why itâs not feasible to do this in mythicâŚ
While saying itâs the best thing to do in mythic.
Canât have it both ways
It is feasible to do on mythic, but I wager at this point, thereâs not enough people with the inclination to try.
Itâs like that 30 second Remnant of Nerâzhul kill with mass venthyr moonkins. (But this doesnât feel as limited.)
And yet⌠based on the current publicly available logs it is.
There was an actual example of a mythic kill using what you just described
It takes less than 2 weeks to level and gear an evoker. Especially if you have gold to spend .
This is week 1.
Literal week 1.
So not surprised that thereâs no mythic meme runs yet.
So who tried with mass evokers and failed on mythic?
Again - so you are complaining about something when we donât have the data yet to verify it?
This has been - and will continue to be - the only point that matters