Made an ally lock, only used LFG, only had r2 crucible r1 memory, started around 390 ilvl. 71 2v2 matches, finished at 408 ilvl.
Just because people wanted to emphasize how much gear matters. About 3 days to do this and around 15 hours played.
Also, the matches I feel were gear determined maybe totaled 3-4 of the 71. Mainly DK or DH
you’re just too good man
Fixed it for you
if u woulda played DH u woulda got 2900 rating at 0 ilvl
Shuda done it on a enh sham and report back, or do it on a holy priest, ur playing destro what do u expect on a god tier spec. Just like how a rdruid with nothing can still get rating lmfao like what is ur brain
Destro isn’t a heavily gear reliant spec idk what point you thought you were making
There are many specs that are not valuable until they have a ton of optimal stats. Warlocks at the very least get decent value even from their worst stats.
You’re making a pretty bad point here lol
There are so many specs that get massive powerspikes or become truly playable with optimal gear and the gearing system makes it pretty frustrating to deal with if you are a spec that relies on those.
Fun fact did you know its possible for a 0 ilvl fire mage to land gpies that hit just as hard as a 440 mages gpies?
this game feels very odd sometimes
More like where is it
What makes you think destro gets value out of versatility and crit? Especially when I don’t even have C&S for the stun bonus from versatility. Crit is almost useless for destro in arena.
You want to know what really helps destro scale? ilvl. Why? Because we have stamina multipliers not only just by being a lock, but also Demon Armor. I don’t get why you keep commenting things about Destro that simply don’t hold up.
Haste and mastery obviously are your best stats but having crit and versa are still not the worst things in the world, especially when versa is just great for tons of flat damage reduction and crit at least gives destro bonus damage and while it’s insignificant it’s still better than the value other specs get out of it minus shadowpriest.
They might not be your best stats but it’s far better than having mastery or crit for some specs especially when haste/versa are almost universally everyones BiS, with non haste specs still wanting versa except for two others (shadow priest sometimes, rdruid depending on MU)
Destro is literally the only class that doesn’t stack versa as it’s secondary, everyone else needs it rofl and your mastery just happens to be so good that it outvalues versa making it an outlier but having versa in general is still not bad in any way which is why having suboptimal stats doesn’t have a significant result
Stam and ilvl obviously are fantastic for destro but in 2s it’s still not going to matter much being squishier, the amount of CC you have and with how slow the game is vastly hinders it’s impact in 2s where there’s still only 1 dps, the damage and CC available is more than enough to make this readily possible.
Just because destro massively scales with gear doesn’t mean it isn’t also fine baseline too
The perspective of one of the best dps specs in the game only playing 2v2 and being undergeared is a really limited take. Gear/essences makes a massive difference for most of the healers in the game. Being a class with spammable CC also makes up for the gear too (hence rogues being able to get kill setups with poor gear always being common).
Doing 3s as many specs while undergeared will leave you flat out make you incredibly useless
It’s just an out of touch point to make. You’re taking an outlier spec that can simply make up for gear differences as the best role to do so (dps and ranged caster with spam CC) in the best bracket to do so lol
I can do the same on 2s if not go higher on SV hunter or a rogue could do the same etc. but that doesn’t somehow mean gearing doesn’t have a massive impact on the game for a large majority of specs, it’s just a super one sided view
Good examples of specs that would be really horrendously gimped with poor gear: Disc, Warrior, Rsham (not having right essences/traits is huge for both healers here lol), Ele Sham (Disruptive sustained dps specs generally need optimal damage output to be useful), Shadowpriest and more
It’s also miserable playing an alt of a different class (instead of the one you main) and being undergeared. It’s just an obnoxious comparison overall
Could u do it as DEMO my honky doggo
Yeah because most people, like you, who play at high cr every season have unreasonable expectations for your alts. Most of y’all expect to perform at a near equal level as your main character despite not knowing how to play it well.
P.S. The locks in the bracket don’t reflect this gear to cr. There’s one other lock around this ilvl with this rating.
Also, this isn’t just a single class/spec thing.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/stormscale/claud
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/tichondrius/beesechurger
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/thrall/smitejr
All disc priests with 41X ilvls at similar or higher cr in the 2s bracket.
No, I’ve played the current iteration of demo for all of about 4 hours maybe this entire expansion and it feels like I’m learning Japanese.
With that being said, I’m sure someone could make it work running Demo Rdruid. That comp plays decently well.
Notice I kept mentioning 3v3. You would easily get that same level in 3v3 as a destro lock, for other specs it’s not going to be massively further whatever your normal peak rating is, where in the past it would maybe take you down like 100-200 or so CR from normal
People are also literally asking for the same gearing that they had in previous xpacs, it has gotten significantly worse and the entire point is you just can’t get very real practice if you want that which makes it a huge waste of time
Playing duelist bracket 2s games literally has no relevance to gearing or how much gear impacts any competitive play, dnno why that was so hard to understand to begin with
Like I had gotten milkmans disc to elite range in 2s when he had 0 gear and essences but that doesn’t mean that there would be any useful or valuable 3v3 games until his character is significantly geared which again is mostly what people care about, not random 2s games lol - the specs I mentioned are what would be useless in 3v3 too and others which could still play 3s undergeared.
It’s so obvious to see where the issues are with the entire system is. I understand 2v2 and destro must mean a lot to you but you just don’t have a frame of reference man. This is probably your first xpac playing, so you have no idea what it was like
In the past it was legitimately possible to get top of the ladder in undergeared characters - hell in WoD Pika/Kubzy and I were the highest team on ladder with Pika being on a green geared rogue. Plenty of instances of this in the past.
It’s just so significant now that even if you’re one of the best teams in the game if you’re undergeared you’re going to lose to teams you vastly outskill. That’s a huge reason why most of the best players have just stopped caring about this season in general, there’s just so many time sinks to keep up with people who can significantly outgear you and it makes ladder games pointless.
Even for “bad” players that want to que 3s on an alt, being super undergeared is going to heavily hinder them from playing anywhere close the level they normally are at.
Edit: you even linked a disc who is like 600 pts higher in 2s on their main as an argument??? Lmao wtf dude
you are a destro lock
every1 knows gear doesnt matter at all for destro/fire
Good looks I got 2k on my alt around 40 games when I was 405 playing with an undergeared hpal myself
Oh I know the next chapter of this show: “390 ilvl fire mage doing tons of dmg, git gud”.
There are lots of disc priests in the 42x range that are 2100+. I’m sure it exists for other specs too, but I’m not going to continue to search for data to prove my point even more.
PVP gearing for expansions in the past have had multiple different systems. Resilience, PVP Power, ilvl scaling, templates, and now hidden scaling. As far as I can remember, the only system that operated within a PVP only gear cap was WoD’s ilvl scaling on gear. Everything else gear that could be acquired through PVE that was useful in one way shape or form from PVE, albeit maybe not as useful as now. So when you say everyone wants the same gearing from previous expansions it doesn’t really make any sense, especially when that point is argued upon daily about which system was best.
Not at all man. You also literally linked a disc that is hundreds of CR lower on his alt than his main in 2s as an argument.
The impact of gear has never been more significant nor has the mechanics to optomizing your character been so frustrating and requiring a massive investment
did this on sv in primal season, people were rightfully unimpressed then too