To blame it entirely on that when there is clearly more at play is wrong though. Why not put their best MC forward especially given all those facts? instead of the literally easiest iteration of It available in vanilla. Some foresight would have been nice or at least learn from this mistake and act quick to salvage the rest.
The one where Rag disappeared at 1 hr instead of 2? The one where MC dropped a bit more loot but otherwise didnât do anything differently? None of that would have changed what happened one iota.
It isnât at all. People just didnât know WTF they were doing at all. I remember our top DPS talking about how âhardâ they were working to do slightly more DPS than the rest⌠and in retrospect they were actually gimping themselves trying to weave other skills in.
Seriously, you dramatically overestimate how much we as a community knew about this game 15yrs ago. Theorycrafting was practically frowned upon because people got mad we understood too much of what was happening under the hood.
Vanilla isnât about the difficulty of raiding, itâs about the community and the fun pvp two things which retail hasnât had in years.
Iâm talking about the MC before the buffâs to gear / abilities etc that makes MC easier. If they want to release it on 1.12 which isnât âno changesâ then at least tune it to the BiS pre-raid gear and abilities for that patch. You canât canât have the argument of âno changesâ while also fundamentally changing the whole game around it.
Thats a bad analogy in one way because I obviously was not around in the early 1900âs and have no clue what a ride in a model T is like, and asking me that is veryâŚrhetorical? unneccessary?
On the other hand its actually brilliant because it supports my point that regardless of whether a 1908 and 1937 was worse or better, they are both crap compared to the 2019 models of today in all categories.
Im sorry my facts have been dismissed by you as trolling. Hope someone can give you the truth easier next time. Move along
thereâs something very strange about Blood Elf players, itâs like a disability.
#bringbackArthas
i can get behind that
Yeah because out-of-combat rezzing should have stayed. And Warriors rocking daggersâŚ
The retro meme should be, âThey thought they were good but they werenât.â
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Are you joking me? The players today are a million times better, itâs not even close. Back then you could be a world first player and keyboard turn. People played on dial up connections with computers that run at 20 fps. Youâre literally so far gone if you think that modern wow and vanilla are even in the same universe.
And yetâŚso many people have no idea what to do.
Why do people like you keep lying? They killed rag in a week using an exploit that vanilla players werent aware off so they just geared fire resistence gear which took months. Whit the Ubrs mob exploit you can get a lot of FR making the raid trivial and easier than a baron run. Patch has nothing to do with it.
The only thing about Vanilla being harder was the leveling and actually getting 40 people set up. The people clinging onto the thought that the actual raid was harder are blinded heavily by nostalgia.
Retail WoW is a joke when it comes to leveling and many other mechanics but the raids are more difficult.
It actually is the patch version. Thatâs how different phases of content work.
I have that âexploitâ listed in my paperback strategy guide I bought when I started playing WoW.
That strategy guide was written when AQ was the top raid.
Donât kid yourself. It was pretty well known.
you downed which boss in classic?
âNear on parâ? They were flat out better. Bosses were not neutered to allow such easy takedowns. They didnât do the math for you so you had to gauge your own gear stats. Really after they killed the big guilds it made a bunch of small guilds so those who were not top in class could raid. Harsh, but pretty true.
I agree OPâs first paragraph. But, IMO, itâs not so much the nerfs as it is the fact that all these world first players are not only elite players hand selected from the best of the best, but even more importantly, theyâve already cleared the content a hundred times on private servers beforehand. If you took a raid of all elite players and let them practice modern raids for years before âreleasingâ it theyâd clear it pretty quick, too.
The other 99.9% of the population is going to find Classic raids more challenging.
Raids get downed in an hour when they are released in retail. You really think that is hard? People had 15 years to master those fights. The guild that downed Rag had 5+ years private server mastery.
Stop comparing the 0.001% to the rest of us. Thatâs like watching Tom Brady throw a touchdown and saying âsee anyone can be an NFL Quarterback itâs easyâ.