197 iLevel Cap Casual PVP

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Daark-cenarius

Tough. I always felt like I played better, the better the other players were.

This is the usual response. I love seeing people creep up the DPS meters on me or take over. I pay a lot closer attention and push myself harder to take it back.

@Daark-cenarius

We catering to quitters now? Is that why everyone gets a participation trophy in my kid’s little league?

It applies to adult life too. Sadly. Lol

[Fishaman-altar-of-storms]

I don’t understand how this is so controversial of a topic.

Surely there’s a middleground between “everyone’s the same” and “alts can be killed by a single earth shock”.

It’s not like people are farming honor aren’t putting in the time. Several BGs (depending on if you win or not) for one piece of gear (that still needs more BGs to be upgraded!) vs one M0. Something’s wrong with the new player experience.

[Quard-lightbringer (Quard)]

@Argorwal-ysera

I hope you don’t intend to play TBC classic, because you have to do rated for the good PvP gear there as well.

Yes, you do have to do rated for PvP in BC. But I don’t think you played back then, because you didn’t need to actually win any games.

Seriously, that’s where the term “welfare epics” pretty much came from. People would just do their 10 arenas a week and get geared.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Quard-lightbringer

@Argorwal-ysera

I hope you don’t intend to play TBC classic, because you have to do rated for the good PvP gear there as well.

Yes, you do have to do rated for PvP in BC. But I don’t think you played back then, because you didn’t need to actually win any games.

Until they put rating requirements on gear in TBC seasons 3 and 4 (and all of Wrath).

TBC classic has rating requirements on all the large armor slots and weapons.

[anon30972072]

@Snozy-stormrage

No the root of the problem is people thinking they should have the same gear as people who put the time and effort in for free.

I’m gonna stop reading right there since you made it clear you didn’t read anything above before posting.

[Nawat-emerald-dream (Nawat)]

@Daark-cenarius

Tough. I always felt like I played better, the better the other players were.

Oh absolutely. Play against crap teams and play like crap. Still I can almost guarantee the pro is taking it somewhat easy. Pros in sports are animals. I’m the fastest guy on my team, can jump higher than any of them. This guy dusted me anytime I went against him.

@Daark-cenarius

We catering to quitters now?

No we are catering to competition leagues have rules for a reason. They don’t let div 1 players play in div 2. Let alone forcing the div 2 players to wear running shoes while the div 1 players where cleats. Why are we catering to that?

Literally the only place this happens is wow.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

Great points!

[Daark-cenarius]

@Nawat-emerald-dream

They don’t let div 1 players play in div 2

?? They don’t restrict anyone. A d1 player can absolutely choose to go to a d2 school.

@Nawat-emerald-dream

Let alone forcing the div 2 players to wear running shoes while the div 1 players where cleats. Why are we catering to that?

Literally the only place this happens is wow.

Again, ?? High end schools absolutely have a near insurmountable advantage over lesser d1 schools, let alone d2. I have been in the room when Alabama called boosters asking for cash to buy players. I know we all pretend it doesn’t happen, but come on.

[Snozy-stormrage]

@anon30972072

I’m gonna stop reading right there since you made it clear you didn’t read anything above before posting.

I read it and I don’t agree with it.

[anon30972072]

@Snozy-stormrage

I read it and I don’t agree with it.

You’re disagreeing with something nobody said. Facebook would love you.

[Mylath-wyrmrest-accord]

Buying a herb or something on the AH is not equal to buying rating for gear

[Renedre-dalaran]

Why shouldn’t they? They earned their rating and of course deserve higher gear and thus kill you faster in a BG.

[Mylath-wyrmrest-accord]

agree, they could implement an mmr system for random bgs

[Darktides-maelstrom]

@Çlark-emerald-dream

No

They are all decked out in gear because they earned it

It’s supposed to make you, the 197 item level lose an advantage

Seeing the 226 gladiator should inspire you to be saying, “dang I should be like them”

That’s like saying you demanding to join a mythic raid in heroic dungeon/LFR gear bare minimum because “it’s not fair”

Hey Clark… buddy, first of all, you play a paladin in Season 1. You sound like you don’t want to rely on your skills and you would rather rely heavily on your gear to do the work.

Don’t care if you earned it. I really don’t. It can be used elsewhere.

We get honor for kills buddy, not chicken feathers.

What’s PvP for? Main purpose is to test skill. How can you properly do that if the players aren’t on equal footing? You can’t, and we know that.

Main purpose of PvE content? Gear progression.

That’s why we have ratings, because people are being tested. Is it being done properly for PvP? No.

@Çlark-emerald-dream

@Battlemaster-stormrage

You’re aware of why casuals and less skilled players are having issues getting gear right now right?

Two of those words you said in that sentence already answered your question

So then step up your game, its supposed to be tough at the start but it all feels rewarding at the end

Boosting, son.

Has anyone mentioned FPS games. Does one guy start with a nuke and everyone else has knives?

[Sarama-firetree]

@Fishaman-altar-of-storms

Several BGs (depending on if you win or not) for one piece of gear (that still needs more BGs to be upgraded!) vs one M0

One M0 that might not give you anything, might give you something you don’t want, and can only be done once per week.

Being able to choose your piece in PvP is a huge gearing advantage especially when it comes to weapons and trinkets.

Edit: plus unrated PVP is queueable! You don’t even have to waste time in LFG to get the gear!

[Çlark-emerald-dream]

@Darktides-maelstrom

you play a paladin in Season 1

I’m well aware Paladins are shining in PvP, I personally don’t like it because it’ll be nerfed one of these days

But I’ll always play my Paladin even if they become bottom line unplayable

Hope that helps your ease

[Darktides-maelstrom]

You should read the rest

[Çlark-emerald-dream]

@Darktides-maelstrom

What’s PvP for? Main purpose is to test skill.

Yes you are correct

@Darktides-maelstrom

How can you properly do that if the players aren’t on equal footing? You can’t, and we know that

You try again, everyone has a head start but once you’re past the blunt part it’ll all be rewarding

[Sarama-firetree]

@Darktides-maelstrom

Has anyone mentioned FPS games. Does one guy start with a nuke and everyone else has knives?

Might as well. I’ve been playing COD, shot some super prestige dude in the face with a shotgun and he still runs up and stabs me to death.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Mylath-wyrmrest-accord

Buying a herb or something on the AH is not equal to buying rating for gear

Are you, or are you not, using in game currency to pay other players for services you are not doing yourself?