I like this example. Though, this was not my original intent. Yes, they work within the ranges. Your manager and you usually have to convince HR to give you more money, though. Is this a wrong idea? And my comment is “HR is part of the process…”
I appreciate your clarifications though. Even a little bit helps.
To me, my new understanding means that even a Senior-level role can be entry-level.
This thread is wild. So many people ignorantly arguing back and forth about a fake job listing. The pay and the requirements are insane intentionally. They don’t want to hire anybody. They make a job position, “attempt” to hire for it, when no one bites, which they wouldn’t for obvious reasons, they’re able to go to the government for tax breaks for unfilled positions and potentially get given more work visas to hand out. They use these visas to hire from outside the country, and if it’s remote work, they can follow the wage laws of that country. An Indian or Malaysian or someone from around there will be doing this job remotely for 2 dollars an hour in a few months. This is a very common thing companies have been doing for years now. I don’t get how so many people can be unaware.
These postings went up like… this week’s Monday? I couldnt find them on their own job site though, but they were there earlier in the week.
When I say fake, I don’t mean the position doesn’t exist. I mean they don’t actually intend to hire anyone. If they can show the government that there are unfilled job positions, they can get government handouts. Companies have been doing this for a long time now, but it really ramped up during Covid because of legislation that was passed. Tech companies can take it a step further because they can involve remote work.
The goal from the beginning is to hire someone in SEA to do this online for a couple dollars an hour. That’s why I used the work fake.
I wish I could have applied for that if it was remote. I’m desperate for a job that I can do, but no one hires. I can’t do physical labor, so that eliminates about 99% of all jobs in my town, most of which are fast food and retail positions paying $14 at the high end. If you make $16 or more, that’s actual hard labor.
I hold an AAS in Software and Web Development, graduated with a 3.705 GPA, Magna €um Laude (really? That’s not allowed?), National Technical Honor Society, and Alpha Beta Gamma Honor Society. No remote jobs will even look at me since I don’t have 10 years of verifiable experience or a 4+ year degree. I’ll be 45 years old in 5 months, and I’m down to my last $163.
I’m boned.
Yeah, it is a wrong idea.
If you ask the waiter if you can have a double portion for the same price, they’re “part of the process,” but also not responsible for the answer being no.
If you ask the owner of the restaurant the same question, they might say yes, but the waiter actually rings the order - also part of the process but not responsible for the outcome.
Yeah, your new understanding seems to be still not understanding.
For sure. While I might not agree with your reason, I do think it’s weird I can’t find the listings anymore (I could just have messed something up). More of an observation.
Well, damn. It hasn’t clicked for me yet, but I know to say “I don’t know” for now. But this is how we learn. I don’t want to impose further. You’ve been courteous, and I appreciate you trying to help.
This is what I went through personally. So if this wasn’t normal, then that’s kinda sucks. (I was told to talk to HR. Sent an email. No response. Sent an email again with my manager CC’d. Got my request for a raise declined. Left the company a few months later.) (For context: The manger said I was very high on the payscale for my title.)
Also something I explained. You asked someone who has to ask someone else. It’s basically every customer service interaction. The person you’re actually talking to is rarely actually the person who can make a big decision like a raise, just like the kid at Best buy can’t just approve you returning something outside of the return period without asking a manager.
Basically, don’t shoot the messenger.
and half the cost of living…you see basic economics is something comifornia never has figured out…
For sure. I figured it went to HR rep #1, then they bring the case to the HR Director or someone with that level of authority.
(So many messengers.) Using your restaurant example, it’s be like the General Manager or the Head Bartender approving requests, like a comped meal or free drinks. The server might say something like “This dude about Table 4 looks kinda down. Mind I give him a free small dessert?” to the GM or whoever has said authority to approve it.
And fwiw, when I said “HR bad” I say in the general context of “the people are probably cool, but i dislike this collective entity” in the same way players say “Blizzard bad” but they dont mean “all the developers should be fired and never allowed to work again.” (That’s wildly irrational.)
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Is not an HR director in most cases. They’re still working with the budgets and allocations they’re given.
This is probably where the comparison is too different to work. A free dessert might be like saying “I’ve got a drs appointment, can I leave an hour early without taking PTO?” Which is something a direct manager usually wouldn’t even have to ask HR about.
Yeah, this is reasonable. There’s (usually) less red tape at a restaurant compared to a Fortune500 company. But some requests need to make their way up the chain.
Also, raid starting soon. Thank you for your time. Learned a bit. Unlearned a bit too. I’ll spread less misinformation in the future. 
It’s obvious that you haven’t ventured far into the real world, you’ll catch on eventually.
$16/h was what I was making fresh out of College in 2004.
Location matters.
16$ an hour if i get to choose my hours and it’s a fun job.
It’s crazy how people were in an outage over 15$ minimum wage and now the minimum wage should be 20$ because cost of living is so high
Many of the same people who screamed for $15 an hour minimum wage have little to no understanding of how the economy and inflation work. They think a bigger number on a paycheck is better even though that bigger number has less buying power than their old smaller number.
California state law prohibits interns from working for less than the state minimum wage. I know what you are saying, but that doesn’t happen legally.
I would too if it didn’t pay less than a starting pay for a bog standard retail job lmfao