$16 an hour, starting, to be a test analyst for WoW

There’s over 1 trillion dollars of credit card debt in America right now and that is some of the grossest debt to have given the interest rate. If you’re lucky that’s at best a 15% interest rate, and these days it’s more like 30%. Couple that with people can sign away their life to high costs of school that can’t be forgiven and are able to be approved for car loans that are more than their salary and it’s a recipe for disaster.

The issue is multifaceted, but debt is absolutely a massive part of it. I’m very sympathetic to college debt issues because I know when you’re 18 and been it drilled into you that loans and expensive college is the way to being successful you just follow what the adults are saying, but beyond that I have seen enough people’s car payments to be far less sympathetic. Credit card debt is absurd to get into, but comes from another place of financial illiteracy. Still, it’s a very correctable mistake unlike student loans which once you have you just have and people clearly are not making an effort to get rid of it.

For 2024 the 22% tax bracket doesn’t start until 47k so if you’re bringing in 33k a year you’re actually in the 12% tax bracket. Technically a bit less since the first 10k is taxed at 10%, but that’s a negligible difference.

If I was single I could make $16 an hour work. In your example of a $1600 rental I’d be rooming with at least one other person, maybe even two depending on what you can find for your area, but that means you can reduce your rent down to $800-$1000 or so and suddenly the math becomes a lot more manageable because at $16 an hour you’re probably bringing in about $2,000 when it’s all said and done. That leaves $1,000 (maybe more) for gas and food and if you can’t make that work then you’ve got a real problem. Grocery budgets are the most flexible thing on the planet; Spaghetti, ramen, hot dogs, whatever it takes. You can make $50 go insanely far if you want/need it to.

I’m going to be real honest here, AKA be real mean, but most people are stupid with their money and don’t understand to they should be doing any of this. They don’t understand the stock market or compound interest, and always find a way to spend money they free up. I’ve seen people drilled over their finances and them claiming they can’t save money only for their credit card bills to be thrown in their face with $30 door dash orders 5 times a week because “WELL I HAVE TO EAT”. I don’t actually like that guy’s show (if you know of him), but hey some people he brings on do insanely stupid things with income.

That’s just my anecdotal experience interacting with people and consuming financial news, but they say 60% or so of some Americans can’t handle a $1,000 emergency and it’s not entirely because they have zero opportunity to save but because a lot of people go through lifestyle creep. I’ve seen podcasts of people with insanely good incomes with basically nothing in the bank and they get lumped into those people who can’t afford the emergency…because they spend it all.

I’d agree that 64k a year is pretty tight to raise a family on though, depending on the area you can make it work, but you are very likely to be tight on money and probably on some sort of assistance program. Definitely not owning a house or saving for retirement.

At the end of the day though there’s no law requiring you to only work 40 hours a week. It may suck, but if your job is one that does not require much more than the ability for you to be able to fog up a mirror to get it then you shouldn’t expect to be able to survive comfortably by only putting in 40 hours a week.

Test Analyst could very well be an entry level position. An entry level position doesn’t require the title associate to be part of the title.

Entry level positions are still entry level positions.

Get a paycheck, great benefits (often including a pension and early retirement), and a government bailout with public service loan forgiveness.

Great option if you can get it, but I hear that people seem to think that because the program exists the payments get forgiven automatically and while current administration has done a lot with this it’s very hit or miss depending on who is in charge at the time.

Also government pay is dog-crap compared to private industry. Great benefits package, but you’ll be getting a 3% raise for the rest of your life. I’ve been at my current job for just over 9 years and have tripled my pay. Although I will say the really smart government employees work those jobs until they are 55 or 60, then go private until they want to retire and all their crazy benefits kick in.

You’d be correct if they didn’t literally advertise for “Associate” in other job openings. Each company is different with their titles. But some basic truths exist.

Associate is fresh.
Mid-level is some (2-3 years)
Senior is many (5-7 years).

An entry level role is something you can do with virtual no prior knowledge. Right?

Here’s one snippet from the listing for the Test Analyst role:

  • Participate in training and onboarding new team members

Is training other people entry level? I’d venture a guess: No.

Not trying to be a gotcha, but rather showcase the wages offered are a joke. You can do CS for a medical company, a less skilled job, by most accounts, and make 50% more than what’s being offered. ($35/hr starting for that CS role, and that’s not even in CA.)

Show me where Blizzard has made a statement regarding the labels of experience in their titles and you’d be right.

No, this couldn’t be more wrong. Entry level means a starting position, that’s all it means, hence the word entry.

Depends on the agency and you also usually get actual work/life balance. It’s definitely worth a few grand to never have to work a weekend, evening, holiday, or day off imo.

Bonus, job security is generally way better as well.

But obviously both have pros and cons.

QA tester salaries are generally low. It’s going to be challenging to survive (let alone “live”) in Irvine on a $16/hour wage.

Starting position. Sure. Let’s run with this.

What ISNT a starting position? Is entry level based on the prospective hire? Does it go up to the C-suite before roles stop being entry level? How do YOU describe the difference being an entry level position and a non-entry level position?

Every source I’m checking relates to the level of prior experience of the person.

Most places consider entry level the positions with no roles beneath them in that department. Everything above that would not be entry level.

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Let’s not go with anything because I’m not interested in a discussion about entry level positions, it’s really not important to me. I know what an entry level position is, you’re the guy who thought HR had something to do with a starting salary. lol

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I get paid $20 an hour /12 hour shift if I see 12 patients or zero patients.

Sometimes one patient requires me riding for 500 miles with them

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Ah, you gave up when challenged. Typical.

And sure. HR isn’t involved in starting . But they part of negotiations with raises and such. Oh well.

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It’s not about giving up, it’s that I simply don’t care to have a discussion about what an entry level position is. Especially not with some guy who thought HR determines the salary of said position.

A certain level of irony exists when people complain about not being able to save money while also paying for a wow sub

How would this example look? If I’m wrong, I don’t might be corrected. Learning experiences.

A simply job tree, with seniority included.

Manager:

  • Senior
  • Mid
  • Associate

Cook:

  • Senior
  • Mid
  • Associate

Using this, which roles, for both Manager and Cook, be considered entry-level? (I use Manager and Cook because it’s generally understand that a manager is in charge of people, and cooks generally are not in charge of others)

People shouldn’t be denied the ability to, y’know both have fun in life, and have a job that is secure enough they don’t need to worry about the future and emergencies. $15 a month shouldn’t be the make of break

WoW isn’t the playground for the ultra rich whales who go off and buy $1,000 auto-transforming Transformers and the like

Neat. Then ignore me.

That’s like saying the waiter who gave you the bill set the price for the food. HR gets a range from the bosses and that’s what they’re working with. Employees getting paid more is great for HR because it usually avoids unionization attempts and reduces how much complaining people do. (And it ain’t like HR is usually a top tier salary group, so they usually want more just as much as everyone else)

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Pretty sure I already answered this, not sure what further clarification I can give you. This isn’t something super hard to grasp.

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