tHIS THREAD NEEDS MORE LIKES AND og CLOSE TO 1.0 av OR DONT BOTHER. 1.12 IS RETAIL AND NOT EVEN FUN
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One of the biggest reasons I quit during TBC was how evident it was Blizz was ruining PvP and not giving a damn. Flying mounts ruined world PvP, Arenas became required for gear and started the welfare epic slide, and AV had already been completely obliterated by honor farmers turning it into a PvE race. It got so bad you would actually get yelled at by people logging in from the other faction about how you’re “turtling” if you convinced your team to defend your own base and managed to hold your ground.
We need original turtle AV with intractable bloody conflicts, epic summons, and NPCs in your way. Loads and Loads of freakin’ NPCs that slow you down and buy time for players to respond.
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Give me 24+ hour AV
Give me the struggle
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No one does AV in retail. I’ve queued for it literally for hours at a time and no go – since WoD!!!
I’ve been told it’s because the “other faction” does not queue for it. LOL
I was really hoping to have an authentic AV experience here in Classic. So far, there are far too many changes from authentic Vanilla and Classic and this is just another one. I knew it was gonna go sideways when they gave us 1.13.2 instead of 1.12.
Anyone noticed that you can’t graveyard corpse walk in Classic? That feature wasn’t removed from retail till Cata.
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I would like all of the content that was in AV 1.7, and the bug/exploit fixes. HOPEFULLY they heard us and are going to use the 15th anniversary early iteration of AV in classic.
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This. ^^^^
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Ppl have jobs now and cant do 3 day long AV’s with furry teeth like you in ya mums basement.
This has been addressed a multitude of times in this and the other AV threads. Scroll up.
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1.12 AV is played nothing like modern WoW’s AV, and those claiming that it is clearly never touched it in TBC. You would still get the long fights on the road and NPCs and bosses would still be summoned (and impact the battle).
What’s turned modern WoW’s AV into what it is is the enormous power creep that’s occurred over the years. NPCs are trivial to deal with, and even Ivus and Lokholar are killed in seconds without doing anything.
1.12 is closer to modern AV than it is to 1.7 AV.
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the moment towers became one time caps is when AV went from 4+ hour long epic fights to max 1 hour.
Hope Blizzard is still looking at this thread. <3
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chances are they still don’t care.
When I quit WoW the first time, I left to join a niche MMO called Darkfall Online. It was nothing like WoW, it was PvP focused, full loot on death, always-on PvP, no safe zones. I didn’t even really like PvPing in WoW and it had nothing to do with the gameplay of fighting, it was because the only PvP that mattered was all instanced battlegrounds, and they had zero impact, you win or lose, you queue back up and do it again, it’s lifeless and boring repetitive grinds that you do for points, but there’s no sense of caring about the outcome because it didn’t matter except for faster point gain.
I’m all in favor of having this kind of epic feeling battleground in WoW where the outcome matters, where there’s real reason to push every objective instead of just zerg rush to the end.
Most of the people I know playing Classic never played vanilla, and many of us heard stories of week-long AVs, and some of us, myself included, would love to experience that kind of intense PvP fight first hand.
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Coming back to bump this, and support it!
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Given they are putting out an “early AV” for the 15th anniversary in retail, I think it is safe to imagine they will utilize it in classic, where it actually belongs.
It is clear that at least one employee sees value and acknowledges the demand for early AV.
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early av in retail? due tell I don’t touch retail bfa is garbage to me. and is it the ONE employee who actually needs to have the acknowledgement for this type of demand that we want a REAL Vanilla AV and not this garbage AV they want to give us that almost mimics retail outside there is no reinforcements!?
I c thanks , and im assuming “old school av play” means the av they want to release to use that no one wants? while we want OLDER school version?
Dunno man, blizzard seemingly decided it best to pretend the outcry about classic’s AV isn’t happening.
1.12 AV gives them “clarity”, yet they are putting development and testing time into an early 1.7/1.8 version of it for retail. Complete with it being scaled to L60 for everyone. It’s quite mind boggling.
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