These are my exact thoughts. Let’s hope Blizzard listens to what the Classic playerbase wants and gives us 1.5 or even 1.7 AV.
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It’s sad to say this, but the beta has been so positive until AV, now you can see the cracks appear & streamers be a bit bored.
I am worried Blizzard will refuse to change AV since they have refused to fix it for a decade. both ghostcrawler & ion just kept ignoring it until players just stopped playing it.
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Please, please, please. I want the old AV for the reasons listed above.
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You’re right, by now they’ve already done all the work on classic they’re willing to do.
We just need to be popular streamers so are voice actually matters. Seriously, if the streamers start to complain we might actually have a chance at a real classic AV.
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I would like to see a earlier version of av as well.
I mean 1.12 is ok… but I want the true experience of what I went thru back when av was released…
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You might want it but most people simply don’t have 12+ hours to fight in an AV. Seriously who realistically wants to go to bed, waking up, and then continue the same AV they were in when they went to bed and have that be a normal. No. Just no.
If they wanted to as offer 1.5 av on top of 1.12 av to give people the choice, or as a week event BG once a month or whatever, that’d be great. More options is never a bad thing and I’d fully support that. But for me? I enjoy AV and I’d like to see a battle to it’s end without having to afk in the middle to go to work.
Unfortunately the streamers are going to go for rank 14 so they just care about the BGs being as fast as possible.
And even in a pure zerg AV is not the faster honor.
why play av then
What in the world are you talking about? That is what made it most memorable and what I’ll take a risk and say that’s exactly what most people for prenerf AV want, among other things. It felt like an actual epic battlefield struggle, something much bigger than us; we are nobodies in a massive war effort. Not some crappy race to the finish. That’s what BFA is right now, everything is a race.
The real question is, why in the world do you want an AV experience much closer to what we have now in BFA opposed to a true authentic vanilla experience? That defeats the whole purpose of classic imo.
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That’s like comparing a marathon to the 10 meter dash because it’s not the The Self -Transcendence 3100 mile race.
The whole extremist argument is a bit old. “If you don’t want my extreme you must want something more resembling the opposite extreme” is an incredibly narrow minded belief. Just because a 2-3 hour BG with no reinforcement mechanics and a 15 min BG have less of a time difference doesn’t mean people who don’t want a 12 hour bg want “something closer to BFA”. That’s just ridiculous.
Like, I get it, you hate BFA AV and want to be as far removed from it as possible, I don’t entirely blame you. But just because someone doesn’t want your extreme doesn’t mean what that want is comparable to the opposite extreme. That’s just a little unreasonable and frankly insulting. If I wanted BFA av I’d just pvp in BFA and not pvp in Classic. Given I own the crappy xpac I very well could do that when I re-sub for Classic if that was the kind of AV I wanted. But I don’t want that anymore than 12 hour AV tyvm.
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Can you honestly say you believe that the version in BFA is an extreme difference from 1.12? What are you seeking in 1.12 that you cannot get in BFA-AV?
An AV that lasts more than 15 min on average. (But, ya know, not something that lasts longer than my guilds raid nights)
Couldn’t you just take Zyrius’ advice and just defend? After all, as he says, that’s on the players.
Yes we can, 1.12 does not have reinforcement. You simply don’t understand the drastic impact those had on game play.
Would 1.5 AV be the same with reinforcements?
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Only if you can get enough people to also defend. Which is pretty much impossible on retail. The once or twice that happened was fun. But mostly everyone is just rushing to the end for their reward because there’s no reason not to.
There’s not a lot of reason to kill each other in modern wow since winning faster offers the best reward. And random bgs are just something to rush through to gear up for arena/rated where the real rewards are offered. Even losing still progresses your weekly honor, so even fast losses get you to the cap (and your reward) faster than drawn out wins. Classic on the other hand gives actually incentives for you to kill other players with things like needing HKs to rank up to get the impressive pvp rewards. Honor alone won’t get you anywhere, you need HKs too.
The 2 reward systems alone create 2 different mentalities and approaches.
I fully agree with Shiyoakemi.
Now, given that the rewards are identical to those in 1.12 AV, would it not be fair to say that after over 10 years of education with rushing/zerging/racing being the most efficient way to said rewards, that the same rushing/zerging/racing will be just as prevalent in 1.12?
Do you imagine that will be different in 1.12 AV?
As does losing in 1.12 AV. It gets you a mark of honor, the participation trophy.
WSG and AB are there for HKs. With diminishing returns, AV, especially long AVs, are not good for grinding HKs. Those rank grinding are not going to intentionally slow down AV zergs just to get HKs.
Again, 10+ years of history has made zerging AV an institution.
WITH ALL THAT SAID…
Would an early AV with more speed bumps, and more PVP as a result of needing to actually fight over the objectives on the way across the map, be a better atmosphere for compelling gameplay, compelling PVP?
Look, what we get AV-wise is what we are stuck with for the life of classic. For those that are just honor grinding for the loot, they want it over with and will toss it over their shoulder after it has served it’s purpose. Wouldn’t it be better to have the version with more longevity for those who simply like and enjoy the early BG and not just a means to an end?
Many of us view AV as a large part of our end game. The version with the least content is the least attractive version. Once everyone has their loot/rewards, what is of concern is what we are left with.
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Problem is the popular streamers didn’t even play Vanilla, they think it’s the real AV.
That, and they are under the impression that the beta AV reflects how live will be when the honor system is in effect.