That’s not what no changes means. No changes outside of vanilla. It was coined by pserver players and the most popular pservers have progressive content. Including old AV.
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Shocked that blizzard is using a BG from the patch they announced almost a year ago. Give me a break.
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Yes it is, the #nochange crowd just decided they wanted to change the meaning after 1.12 was announced and they realized they in fact wanted changes.
No. Like I said, private servers have progressive content, that’s what people wanted. #nochanges arouse as a rebuttal to retail and forum people demanding changes outside of vanilla, most idiotically pally taunt and transmog.
You generally seem to have a hard time comprehending stuff even after it’s been repeated several times so I don’t see any point in talking with you further.
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And we’ve known for a very long time we aren’t getting progressive patches, we’re getting 1.12. So yeah at this point asking for anything but 1.12 is asking for a change.
Now if you want to keep asking for progressive patches more power to you but don’t pretend 1.12 with 1.5 AV is somehow #nochanges.
What about the av quests.
Classic Timeline:
- Classic was released in Nov 2004
- 1.12 was released in Aug 2006
- Burning crusade was released in Jan 2007
The last released patch of classic (1.12) barely made up 4 months of the 2 YEAR run that was classic. You guys need to stop saying the 15% tail end of classic counts as classic. By your logic AQ40 and Naxx should be released day one because “#nochanges” and “we’re using patch 1.12 for classic wow”. If Blizzard decided having 6 phases for PVE/PVP content was okay using the 1.12 patch, they can use an earlier version of AV as well.
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It’s all good. Nearly everyone is well aware that zyrius simply has a severe sour grapes complex because his beyond-vanilla desires were not met (such as changing feral druids), so he is on a mission to caper about, pretending he supports the worst decisions blizzard makes, like neutered AV. He pretends that the common use of no-changes means the hard core definition that very few people have.
He is merely here to troll.
What about them? The shredder quest? The Korrak quest? The body parts quest?
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Ah. Now I’m wondering if I’ve run into this guy on reddit. I’m astonished by how bitter people can get.
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Just curious, as a private server player myself and vanilla player back in the day.
Feral were considered niche in vanilla and now considered to be very strong. Is the perception that they still aren’t good? Because that couldn’t be further from the truth.
The players who gripe about them desire optimal rather than viable. They want to compete on damage meters with pure DPSers.
I believe Blizzard will make the right decision here, or we will petition again.
Except AV saw changes pretty much every major patch of vanilla. People also need to stop pretending that AV remained unchanged from 1.5 to 1.12. Actually the major changes to AV were done by 1.11 so it existed for quite a bit longer.
And the 1.11 version of AV existed until 2.3 when reinforcements were added. In short the most stable version of AV lasted far longer than any previous vanilla version. Possibly because those early versions were fundamentally broken?
Actually 1.5 - 1.8 AV(the first major nerfs to NPC’s) lasted less time than 1.11 AV - 2.0 which saw no changes to AV.
The people not getting 1.5 AV are the ones who seem bitter ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
The perception of feral in vanilla matched the reality. In group content outside of very niche encounters they were very weak and better off just healing. It’s pretty sad when a DPS/Tanking spec is better at healing than actually DPS/Tanking.
I can go from MT/OT in AQ40 to healing & removing poisons for Viscidus all with one spec. This a class that was billed as a hybrid so not sure what youre on about.
To AV1.12, Blizzard said they would use this as a base for bug purposes. While people were spamming #nochanges I was one of the few that said well hold on a second we don’t know what blizzard is doing yet. Status on item progression, loot drops, BG, this information we all got confirmation with the last few months.
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Cause even back in the days, people got tired really quick of having so much PvE in their PvP.
also game that don’t end, ever
That’s fine we’ll see if hybrids end up interchangeable with pure classes or not in classic. If it’s just a perception issue then hybrids should have no issues.
Well no they said they’re using 1.12 because they feel it’s the best version of vanilla to use. They have consistently said they are not considering changes to 1.12 balance or versions of anything beyond time gating. We’ve had confirmation that they were using 1.12 for a year now since the dev water cooler?
After careful consideration, we decided on Patch 1.12: Drums of War as our foundation, because it represents the most complete version of the classic experience.
So yeah if they are quite beyond just using 1.12 as a base for bug testing. It is the version of vanilla they are using for classic.
And yet the changes resulted in less PVP per game. You did not have to be there till the end in order to make substantial rep, honor, and pvp. You also had 2 fast, zero pve bgs to choose from if you didnt like the pvpve nature of AV, which was the entire design of the OG AV.
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No they didn’t, it’s not the map’s fault you are too lazy to make pvp happen. 1.12 AV didn’t force the zerg it just added it as an option. That you choose to use it is on you.
And in reality plenty of games did not result in zergs.