1.12 AV is a huge, huge mistake

[Racthoh-tichondrius (Racthoh)]

I don’t think Blizzard cares enough to spend their time and resources on restoring old AV.

[Paf-malygos]

, too much fighting against NPCs for what was supposed to be a PvP battleground.

Yet isn’t that the point of world quests?

I’m old school, just came back, working on Legion. I like the idea of contributing resources for a common goal. It brings back the community feel.

So what if it was PVE/PVP mixed?

The choke points BECAME NPC’s in themselves! Choke points were “artificial goals” which most people rode past depending how the other team felt.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

No one has asked WHY they removed all of this way back when… was it too hard?

Basically the over emphasis on pve aspects made it a relatively unpopular BG.

And we all know how design by participation rates ends up…

I mean… I remember playing all versions. I just don’t ever remember getting a WHY except the hour long turtles.

But how would removing objectives and NPC’s prevent turtles?

I remember the first few times when Horde and Alliance met mid field AND RODE PAST EACH OTHER. I was like…what is going on?

That’s when zerging the boss started.

So, you had a team stay back on D.

I like the original version. I like summoning big ice guys.

The original AV was something that was a nifty experience once in a while, or maybe just once, it was very good as a BG you would run endlessly.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

I don’t think Blizzard cares enough to spend their time and resources on restoring old AV.

That was the sentiment about redoing vanilla, prior to them actually doing it.

[Muzein-stormreaver]

“Guess what. I got a fever… and the only prescription is more bone chips.” /Walken

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Apparently you’re right since people are necro-ing threads just to keep them alive.

[Theracistcow-emerald-dream]

literally the only real reason to play this over a private server is AV. Im not paying 15$ when blizzard can’t even redevelop AV. So lazy.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

If the extent of what you care about in WoW is once instanced BG then maybe WoW isn’t the right game for you anyways.

[Theracistcow-emerald-dream]

how come you never get banned for spam or trolling Ziryus

[Bibiki-emerald-dream]

The only qualms I have about Classic WoW is AV and RP-PVP realms. They have been doing everything else right except for those two things.

Please give us the older version of Alterac Valley, there is literally nothing in WoW that compares to it. Wintergrasp couldn’t match it, Isle of Conquest is a joke.

Old AV is all I want :[ (and rppvp servers…)

[Oriendaria-medivh (Oriendaria)]

I don’t think you know the difference between 1.12 av and retail av.

[Divineghost-ysera]

Agree, Content should be like it was!

[Divineghost-ysera]

Blizzard listen, look at what happened to Sonic the Hedgehog The creators listen to the fans . ‘Sonic the Hedgehog’ Director Says Design Changes ‘Going to Happen’ After Fan Backlash" They want the Original stuff

[Theracistcow-emerald-dream]

blizzards too busy developing spyware too release 1/3 of their BG’s not broken.

[Spy-azuremyst (Spy)]

LOL. Is that worse than you who only stops complaining about those 3 months 15 years ago to instead complain about something you agreed to?

[Souleternal-illidan]

It really wouldn’t work.

There are guards on the bridge, tons of NPCs in the bases.

If you think a rush in 1.5 or 1.8 would work - you haven’t played the real thing.

A quarter of the party would be dead or unmounted by the NPCs along the way you encounter, the base itself with all of its archers are going to severally wound or kill some of the players…and then you get to the boss. Not full strength, some players are dead…and none of you are at full health anymore, and you have tons of Elite NPCs on you.

Sure…go ahead an AoE. Won’t save you. Players around you, including you will drop like flies because the amount of damage coming in will be more then you can survive or dish out in return.

You HAVE to fight your way through them…otherwise you die.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

You HAVE to fight your way through them…otherwise you die.

Are you basing this on your experience with 1.5 AV, 14 years ago? You have absolutely no evidence that a zerg wouldn’t work in 1.5 or 1.8 AV.

you haven’t played the real thing.

I’ve played 1.8 AV, I leveled up in 1.8 AV a bit and then hit it hard when I was 60. Where do you think I got my rank 10 title from?

[Souleternal-illidan]

I’ve seen it tried, thats why it didn’t happen because people knew better.

The ones if front would fall quickly, then the ones following them, the slow ones would be picked off by either players or other NPCs…it couldn’t happen because you would NOT have all 40 players arrive alive.

Half AT MOST would survive and even that was a big if.

I’ve seen it done, I’ve seen it fail time & time again in 1.5. 1.8, you’d have a better chance due to nerfs…but you’d fail in the 1.5 setting that we want.

I’d love to see you prove me wrong on that mate.

[Souleternal-illidan]

Heck, the most reliable strategy in 1.5? Get your elemental out (Horde was the best at this) and have the allies kite him to their boss…which we did. Plenty.

He would kill their lord in seconds. Thats how we usually ended a game.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I’d love to see you prove me wrong on that mate.

Well, that can’t be done since you know, we’re getting 1.12 AV.